Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Express Rifles and Big Bores Only CZ 550 .458 lott OR 416 ruger alaskan hawkeye stainless

458 due to availability of ammo. Rugers are nice guns, but just cant get my mind into those "ruger" rounds

Come on Polska here's your chance (even two chances) to own a rifle...I'm pulling for you.

Polska,

I have a 458Lott Ruger No.1 that is a great shooter!!! I also have a 416 Ruger Alaskan (I should have the replacement from Ruger tomorrow as a matter of fact...do a quick search for the back story if you like). I have decided that if I can get the new Barnes 350gr TTSX bullets to feed reliably and shoot acurately in this new Hawkeye, it will replace my Lott as my General Purpose BIG Game Rifle. The Alaskan didn't get back in time for this months trip to Africa, so I'm taking the Lott again. I'll post pics when I get home of the Waterbuck I hope to get on this trip. I'd have REALLY liked to have had the time to get the 416 ready for this trip, but it just didn't happen. I'm sure it would have performed as well as I'm confident my Lott is going to perform.

I guess what I'm saying is you are going to have to decide for yourself what you think will work out best for you. Both cartridges have some very strong pro's and very few con's. You have a chance at some rifles offered here by forum members and I'm sure they wouldn't sell ya an oceanfront bridge in Oklahoma. See if what they have will work for your budget and try one out.

Good luck in whatever you decide and show us some pictures of the rifle and the adventures you share together someday.

All the Best,

Stump

...Finally some nice people on this forum, it's a rare thing.

Look at all these losers, centering their lives around me. I OWN YOU. I OWN YOUR LIFE. I CONTROL YOU!!

you idiot, why do you need penetration on plains game or elk...

all i wanted to do was take 200-250 grain bullet and push it to 2500-3000 fps and the uproar I got for that comment is ridiculous. all i asked was if this is possible and if someone has done it before, I didn't ask for lectures and naysayers and general nastiness. Maybe you should look at your posts.

Canada is a dump and it always was a dump.

It's all these damn Canadians, all they do is leach. They leach off their government and they leach and extort American and foreign hunters, cause their country has no economy and they know Canada, sadly, has the best hunting in North America besides alaskan and some northwestern states. Just look at any guide in quebec or ontario or new brunswick or new foundland... and see their rates, bet you won't find a decent one for under 10,000

Some of these guides in Canada charge $10,000 for a moose hunt or caribou or bear. Thats just ridiculous!! How high do you think their operating costs are??? Some gas for the quad, a few boxes of rifle bullets and paying for their lease or paying off any loans for their property... these guys have deep pockets don't fool yourself.

What about these outfitters in Canada that are chargin 10 grand for a black bear hunt over bait, or a caribou or moose hunt for 12 grand. THATS INSANE, AND PEOPLE PAY IT. AND THESE CANADIAN LOSERS KNOW IT. They extort money from stupid people from america and other countries, cause Canada has no economy and no real jobs for them so they extort non-residents.

first of all have you ever shot a .45-70 or owned one, and shot all different types of loads with it, low power, full power, light weight, heavy weight. IF you did you would understand that it is the best all around gun ever made for home defense, dangerous game, deer, even some small game like wolves and coyotes, mountain lions. What makes it superior to your african rifles is that you can customize it's power you can go from low power and light weight for deer and small game, to full power and heavy weight bullets for grizzlies and african game. Plus it has the faster cycling of a lever action and you can hold any where from 6-10 cartridges, making it a perfect all around hunting gun. Go figure, something American is the best, not the first and not the last time.

Guides in alaska carry .45-70's and I think a 1,500 pound kodiak bear would eat your cape buffalo for breakfast.

.45-70

Bull moose charges bowhunter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHu8KNRZ0bg

what a stupid ass these hunters are... bowhunting is stupid and barbaric.. the animals feel too much pain before they die

bull moose charges truck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40x89Q2o5Xw

The truth is the truth. Anyone can kill an animal with a bow and a little practice from a tree stand.

Hey, CMG, I hope this happens to you!!

Cow moose stomping some guy almost to death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m21LBIB5Gp8&feature=related

Take your shotgun, if you have one, and get some slugs and shoot it at a stump, and you'll see they wont penetrated more then if you shove your pocket knife into it. Because a shotgun slug has a huge diamter... almost 3/4" and travels slow so it is hard for it to penetrate. A .45-70 is much better, and with stout loads its ideal. Even better would be a .375 H&H.. but i've read of bears being immune to the .375. Best would be safari type rifles - .416 rigby, remington, taylor, ruger etc. or even better 458 win mag or 458 lott.

Sure a 12 gauge shotgun is better then your hands, but it's asking for trouble. remember bears can spring up to 30 mph, that means if he's 100 yards away and wants to come up on you, he'll get there in under 3 or 4 seconds, you will have time to get off 1 shot maybe 2... so you want the most power possible.

Your better off with a .30-06 or .300 win mag with 250 grain bullets, than you are with a 12 gauge shotgun

I have no problems with Phil Shoemaker a.k.a. 458win. I'm not contradicting him. I think he knows way more about bears and hunting them then I will probably ever know unless i move to alaska and live there the rest of my life... which is a dream at this point. I've seen videos of people shooting bears with .375's and them not going down right away.. .and it makes sense, the .375 only shoots a 300 grain bullet, thats only a little bit larger then a .30-06. Bears don't need super fast bullets, they need moderate penetartions with big bullets that will do maximum damage for a humane kill.. don't bitch at me cause your not man enough to shoot a .416 or larger. I laugh when i hear about all these hunters going to alaska or africa with .338's or .375's... because they are afraid of recoil. It's all mental weakness, you need the courage, and fortitude and passion to practice and master a big bore. If you can't shoot a .458 lott as good as your .22, and your planning to hunt the most dangerou animal in the world... then you are stupid as hell and asking for trouble. You wouldn't change cut down a tree with a hacksaw would you? I mean you could... you could kill a bear witha .22 also. I didn't even read what Phil Shoemaker's comments, I just read the original post and commented. You can disagree with me but you don't have to get nasty.

What is so pleasurable in killing something just for the sake of killing? There is no honor in wasting a groundhog for 200 yards. Or sitting in the safety of our treestand with a bow over a bait pile and shooting a bear or buck... not true woodsman, just pretenders

Its good to have respect for bears... its good to have respect for all animals.. regardless of whether they are able to kill your or not. I see so many people on these hunting shows killing pigs and deer and turkeys and other bueatiful animals for no reason other then sport... thats a bad reason, and a waste of time/money. If you don't need the meat let it live. The world does not revolve around us and animals have feelings too....just like IS ee people hunting big bears with .30-06's and .338's... because they are not man enough to shoot a real man's gun a real big bore that will humanely kill it. Would you like to be hunted and shot to death with a .22?? and Being shot at while hiking in the woods from unknown direction with a .22? And run and panic not knowing whats going on... that just ain't right. That being said... maybe some people are #2 on the food chain, but I know that I am #1 and I will always be #1 until the day I die Our intelligence is what makes us #1.. not our brute strength, which even I have but is not enough to over power a bear. I outsmart him.

Well no armor can stop a grizz from killing you nless you are in armored vehicle. Thats when a self destruct device comes into play hahaha. When that [bleep] is chewing on me i'll blow myself and him up... just kidding. But its always good to leave one bullet for yourself... i'd rather blow myself up or shoot myself If I know I have no chance of fighting the bear off or if I know he's a maneather... better then be eaten alive

Was thinking about this the other day... could a .375, 416, or 458 etc. penetrate hard body armor? I believe the strongest available and practical is rated to a .30-06 180 grain at 2800 fps. For some reason it came to my mind, I think I was pondering what I would do in a disaster scenario and al queda terrorists or china troops invaded and all i had was my big bore rifle whether it would penetrate their body armor if they had any

why are you wasting space on my thread. get a life, or go jerk off

Well your sources must be wrong... they have rocks they brought back from the apollo missions and also they exploded a rocket on the moon and scan the debris and both times found high levels of helium 3

It wouldn't even be that expensive. We have the techonology for space flight, and we have the technology to send satellites across the solar system to mars and jupiter, we can send a robot on mars... it's not too far fetched, especially since the moon is alot closer then mars. The apollo astronaut only took them 3 days to get to the moon. With todays technology much faster. All they need to do is line the dump trucks and equipment with ceramic or similar materials so they don't melt when leaving our atmosphere and come back... fromt he friction. The poles on the moon are ver moderate temperature and don't suffer the extreme as on other parts... you can place equipment there for long periods of time. They were planning on building a lunar outpost

it's definately there, the question is, will politics interfere

Your a jerk off man, you need to get laid or get a life.. If I saw you in a bar or on the street i'd probably back hand you and make you my girlfriend

.. in real life, I would snap your neck.

This is INSANE... thats more than a .375 H&H and a smaller bullet, this thing must penetrate like heck..

Think it could suffice for the big 5... i'm not talking about what the laws are... the law says you must use a .375 diameter bullet, but laws aside... I think it would even be better then the bigger rounds, except maybe for stopping

I don't believe in shotting any animal past 150 or 200 yards, until their is better technology in 10 or 20 years and we have laser like the predators.

little i'm 285 pounds and can deadlift 800 pounds? I'm not the one who's hiding, your the one who's making comments behind a computer screen. Come to new york i'll take you on. I'm not scared.

... and your wives are so ugly you can't even look at them when you wake up in the morning.

Thinner? it stands 7-9 feet high at the shoulder, and it has to fight off winter temperatures of -50 degrees fahrenheit with blowing winds at up to 100 miles per hour. It has to fend off packs of wolves that have more endurance then lions and can chase a bison for days without tiring and for 100's of miles. They have to fend off Kodiak and Grizzly bears which can weigh in excess of 1000 and up to 1,500 pounds. They have to fend off cougars also which are the same size as african leopards. So i wouldn't say they don't have to put up with as much.

The American bison which are larger then the cape buffalo and the largest species of buffalo in the world weighing in at 3,000 pounds was killed by american frontiersman with a .45-70. If it can work on our bison it can work on your buffalo

i've battled many things in my life, never dangerous game but packs of dirtbags as a security gaurd at a nightclub... i know what i'm capable of and i'm confident I could pull off a safari with my .45-70 if I had to.

I OWN YOU!!! I OWN YOUR LIFE. ALL YOU DO IS FOLLOW ME AROUND AND WASTE YOUR TIME!!! I WIN!!! AND YOU LOSE!!!

Not So Fast Polski.......... I seriously doubt if you own even a toilet to piss in Pal!!! You one of those kind, who does not have a pot to piss nor a window to throw it out of Polski.

The only thing you own is something that never cost you a red cent Polski, that being you Big Mouth which barks out you brainless bits and pieces of BS.

The only LOSER ON THIS FORUM IS YOU A$$ WIPE!!!

on why bison are tougher than cape buffalo
[quote=Polska]Thinner? it stands 7-9 feet high at the shoulder, and it has to fight off winter temperatures of -50 degrees fahrenheit with blowing winds at up to 100 miles per hour. It has to fend off packs of wolves that have more endurance then lions and can chase a bison for days without tiring and for 100's of miles. They have to fend off Kodiak and Grizzly bears which can weigh in excess of 1000 and up to 1,500 pounds. They have to fend off cougars also which are the same size as african leopards. So i wouldn't say they don't have to put up with as much.

The American bison which are larger then the cape buffalo and the largest species of buffalo in the world weighing in at 3,000 pounds was killed by american frontiersman with a .45-70. If it can work on our bison it can work on your buffalo

Darn. Darn, darn, darn darn. And one more. Can anyone please explain to me what an America bison is so I can figure out if I can comment on this? And secondly, darnit, what on earth is "wolves"? My English/Afrikaans dictionary says a "wolves can kills lions".