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Shooting animals at 600+ yards isn't hunting. It takes alot of practice, ammo, and money to hit at those ranges consistantly, but don't call it hunting. It never ceases to amuse me to see these stupid comments that show up here about once a year.
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"Killing game at at 40 yards isn't hunting.....",said the guy with the atlatl to the guy with the new long bow.....
"Shooting game at 250-400 yards isn't hunting....."said the guy with the iron sighted 45-70 to the other guy with the 270 Winchester and 2.5x Lyman Alaskan.....
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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"Shooting game at 35 yards is TOUGH!" said the guy with a 7X57.
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"Killing game at at 40 yards isn't hunting.....",said the guy with the atlatl to the guy with the new long bow.....
"Shooting game at 250-400 yards isn't hunting....."said the guy with the iron sighted 45-70 to the other guy with the 270 Winchester and 2.5x Lyman Alaskan.....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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"Shooting game at 35 yards is TOUGH!" said the guy with a 7X57. That'll leave a mark... Dober
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Shooting animals at 600+ yards isn't hunting. It takes alot of practice, ammo, and money to hit at those ranges consistantly, but don't call it hunting. Ok, what is hunting? 200 yards and less with a scoped deer rifle? In that video, the elk was used as nothing more than a living target to prove a cartridge/rifle combo. Thye clearly could have closed the distance to at least 300-400yds, but chose to sit on the bluff and use the elk to sell a rifle. That's not hunting.
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Shooting animals at 600+ yards isn't hunting. It takes alot of practice, ammo, and money to hit at those ranges consistantly, but don't call it hunting. Ok, what is hunting? 200 yards and less with a scoped deer rifle? In that video, the elk was used as nothing more than a living target to prove a cartridge/rifle combo. Thye clearly could have closed the distance to at least 300-400yds, but chose to sit on the bluff and use the elk to sell a rifle. That's not hunting. Neither is any gun hunting. Bowhunting is the only real hunting, those that use a rifle as a crutch for any distance are just humoring themselves to be hunters. Bottom line WTF do you care? I"ve said if its legal, WGAF anyway or why should they? Just to feel superior to someone else? Its crap like this that divides the sport and lets the antis feed freely. I"m almost surprised your handle isn't dsmf instead.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I also bowhunt, muzzleloader hunt, hunt with open sights, hunt with scopes, hunt with handguns, and rifles.
If ethics and methods don't matter, why does B&C and P&Y place limits on the manner and place of taking an animal?
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Couldn't agree with you more. Every hunter has individual skill levels. This year is a good year for me because I am recovered from back surgery and I drew a milti season deer tage here in WA. That means I can hunt archery, muzzle loader and modern fire arm seasons untill I bag my deer. So I can hunt deer from Sept 1 thru the end of Dec. I have never taken anything over 400 yrds or tried even though I am confident that with a little practice I could as I have shot 800 yrd metal targets with a M1 Garand sniper rifle. I have been told buy a forum member that I am reckless and irresponsable for making head shots on coyotes, deer, elk and bear. What?? I thought I was being ethical and responsible, they never knew what his them.....yote 176 yds later LRF, #1 Ruger Kepplinger trigger, 6BR, 105 Amax.....never complained after I squeezed....not even a whimper.....as the doe at a mere 45 yds...at dusk in woods so as not to risk possible losing or trailing a deer w/a 'target bullet' (same gun/load) I was 'shot placement conscious' and did my due diligence They were both facing me, and I imagine they saw a bright light as they transported into another world. Quick, humane, what not to like? Granted, THESE shots have to be selected, but when everything is right, they are effective....and efficient.
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BR: Nice shot
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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My young man, Elmer Keith I did know and I'll never forget his ability with a .44 magnum pistol shooting at big game animals!
I have several articles that Elmer wrote years ago, I do have a fairly decent library of writers, such as Peter H. Capstick, Finn Aaagard, Ruark, Col. Adkins, Jack O'Conner, Skeeter Skelton, John Wooter, Jack Lott, John Lachuk, Bob Milek, Payton Miller, Rick Jamison, Bob Hagel, Pete Bello, Grits Gresham, Jeff Cooper, Bill Jordan, John Barness, Warren Page, Craig Boddington and Jim Carmicheal. I dare say, that none of these writer hunters would or did shoot 600, 700 or 800 yards at any big game animals.
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.......... Peter H. Capstick, Finn Aaagard, Ruark, Col. Adkins, Jack O'Conner, Skeeter Skelton, John Wooter, Jack Lott, John Lachuk, Bob Milek, Payton Miller, Rick Jamison, Bob Hagel, Pete Bello, Grits Gresham, Jeff Cooper, Bill Jordan, John Barness, Warren Page, Craig Boddington and Jim Carmicheal..... Who?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I also bowhunt, muzzleloader hunt, hunt with open sights, hunt with scopes, hunt with handguns, and rifles.
If ethics and methods don't matter, why does B&C and P&Y place limits on the manner and place of taking an animal? So DMS tell us what shots you will take? And where all do you hunt on a regular basis? You do stand hunting? If so, if a deer is bumped and runs by will you shoot it? How do you feel about running shots on whitey's? What kind of elk hunting experience do you have? Do you hunt guided and or DIY? When hunting yotes (if you do) do you use dogs, a mouth call, an E call? Your mzl loader a traditional or an in line? And with round ball or what, and with open sights or scoped? Bow, recurve, long bow or compound? Fingers or release? Sights or instinctive? Do you fish? If so with bait or fly fish only? Just trying to get a feel for what your ways are is all. Dober
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Good luck. I don't think he'll get the point though.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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My young man, Elmer Keith I did know and I'll never forget his ability with a .44 magnum pistol shooting at big game animals!
I have several articles that Elmer wrote years ago, I do have a fairly decent library of writers, such as Peter H. Capstick, Finn Aaagard, Ruark, Col. Adkins, Jack O'Conner, Skeeter Skelton, John Wooter, Jack Lott, John Lachuk, Bob Milek, Payton Miller, Rick Jamison, Bob Hagel, Pete Bello, Grits Gresham, Jeff Cooper, Bill Jordan, John Barness, Warren Page, Craig Boddington and Jim Carmicheal. I dare say, that none of these writer hunters would or did shoot 600, 700 or 800 yards at any big game animals. Could it be that none of the others listed had the ability? Long Range ability isn't behind every bush....Yet given the right situation and conditions a clay target is toast at 600 every shot that comes out of the barrel. I"m pretty much figuring thats dead every time....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Tonk,
There are at least a few writers on that list who could (and would be willing to) kill a big game animal at 600 yards. In fact I know that John Wootters shot at least one animal at around 600--before there were laser rangefinders and all the rest of the stuff that helps a lot these days.
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I greedily take what the mountain gives me without complaining, whether it's 40 yards or 600. As long as it's within my abilities, I just say "thanks for that", and start packing meat.
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Tonk,
There are at least a few writers on that list who could (and would be willing to) kill a big game animal at 600 yards. In fact I know that John Wootters shot at least one animal at around 600--before there were laser rangefinders and all the rest of the stuff that helps a lot these days. .....And Warren Page wrote of doing it at least a couple of times on elk,and on a Kudu in Africa as well. Also O'Connor with that punk 270 and John Jobson with a 270 on a big Alaskan-Yukon bull moose....Elmer was also not above stretching things with the 300H&H or the 280 Dubiel.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Good luck. I don't think he'll get the point though. No, you don't get it. In that video, THAT elk was shot TO SELL A GUN and cartridge. People who do that sort of thing are not people to be looked up to. They are no different than the slob hunters that get all the bad press and they do more to hurt hunting than help it. I wonder what else in life you have no problems with, "because it's legal"? Should 14 yr olds be marrying 40 yr olds? Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it should be promoted.
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I also bowhunt, muzzleloader hunt, hunt with open sights, hunt with scopes, hunt with handguns, and rifles.
If ethics and methods don't matter, why does B&C and P&Y place limits on the manner and place of taking an animal? So DMS tell us what shots you will take? And where all do you hunt on a regular basis? New York and North CarolinaYou do stand hunting? [Yes] If so, if a deer is bumped and runs by will you shoot it? I have and will shoot moving deer.How do you feel about running shots on whitey's? In the woods of New York, it's not uncommon. It's no different than shooting a duck or goose on the fly.What kind of elk hunting experience do you have? NoneDo you hunt guided and or DIY? Semi-Guided in NC, on my own in NYWhen hunting yotes (if you do) do you use dogs, a mouth call, an E call? I shoot them while small game hunting and deer hunting. No calls or dogs used.Your mzl loader a traditional or an in line? And with round ball or what, and with open sights or scoped? Yes to both. Savage MKII with 3-9x40, and T/C Renegade with patched round ball.Bow, recurve, long bow or compound? Fingers or release? Sights or instinctive? 70-80 pound draw weight Compound with fingers or release with sights, and 60% letoff.Do you fish? If so with bait or fly fish only? Not lately, but spincast fish with worms and lures depending on the fish.Just trying to get a feel for what your ways are is all. Dober
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