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I will be elk hunting this year using a 338 Win Mag. I plan on using Win brass, Federal 215 primer and a bullet which is new to me, a NorthFork 225. I want to use RL 19 unless someone has a better choice. How much RL 19 to use with this bullet if anyone has any experience with it?
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I always used H4350 in the 338 WM as it's temp insensitive. RL19 isn't. H4350 gives identical velocities.
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I use H4350 for the same reason, and 73.0grs with Win brass, Fed 215s and 225 Hornadys = a nice honest 2900fps from my Ruger 77. I can't find reason to complain. 222
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I use 71 gr of IMR4350 and the 225 grn swift a frame.i get 2850 fps and superb accuracy out of my sako.the moose really don't like it.
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73.5 grains of H4831 under a 225 grain Hornady interlock. tom
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Thanks for the prompt answers. What is meant by temperature sensitive? I assume you mean that the POI will change with the temp change.
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I will be elk hunting this year using a 338 Win Mag. I plan on using Win brass, Federal 215 primer and a bullet which is new to me, a NorthFork 225. I want to use RL 19 unless someone has a better choice. How much RL 19 to use with this bullet if anyone has any experience with it? You picked the right powder, don't need a 215 Primer, though. Plain ole WLR primers work really good with around 73grs. RE19. JAG
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Try a search, there a some good loads that have been listed in the past.
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I'll be interested to hear how the North Forks work for you. I currently am planning to use a 210 gr. Partition ahead of 73.0 gr. of IMR4350. I'm showing just under 3,000 fps from my 24" Model 70.
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I'll be interested to hear how the North Forks work for you. I currently am planning to use a 210 gr. Partition ahead of 73.0 gr. of IMR4350. I'm showing just under 3,000 fps from my 24" Model 70.
Jeff I would like to hear also, they look like a great bullet!
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Thanks for the prompt answers. What is meant by temperature sensitive? I assume you mean that the POI will change with the temp change. Yes. POI can change becasue pressure and velocity changes. Many but not all Hodgdon powders are in the "extreme" series which means the temp change doesn't effect them greatly. I don't know how bad RL19 is effected, but I've read that RL22 really fluctuates. YMMV. Since Hodgdon costs a little less than the RL powders, I get great performance, and I've got the temp insurance, it seemed like an easy decision. 222
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OK, after some research on the various powders and talking with all the powder manufacturers I've decided to go with the H4350 because of its advances in temperature resistance. When talking with Hodgdon as well as several of the bullet manufacturers, they all gave me 69.5 to 70 grains of H4350 as the max load in the 338 Win Mag. Some on here have posted using several more grains. Am I anticipating some of you will experience an imminent demise or are the powder/bullet guys just trying to do a CYA maneuver? How can I assume relative safety above the 70 grains max they recommended?
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I'll throw in my giant disclaimer when I recommend 73.0 grains with a 225gr bullet. But, my Speer manual recommended more powder than than, and it wouldn't fit w/o compressing it. IMO H4350 is still a pretty slow powder, and the case capacity, relative to the .34cal bore, lets me safely use as much powder as will fit. H4831 would be the same, but a little slower. As is always the case when working up a new load for a new gun, watch for pressure signs, and don't try to squeeze the last 50fps from a gun because you won't see any benefit for the risks you're taking. Like I said, the max load in my Speer manual said to use more powder than I did, but I didn't want to compress the powder for what little gain I may have gotten. So, I'd start with the 70grs, and work up slowly from there. I think you'll be happy with your powder selection. Tell us how it goes. 222
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I'll be interested to hear how the North Forks work for you. I currently am planning to use a 210 gr. Partition ahead of 73.0 gr. of IMR4350. I'm showing just under 3,000 fps from my 24" Model 70.
Jeff JEFF, I don't know about those North Fork bullets, but I've killed four bull elk with my old Ruger 77 in .338 mag., using the great 210 grains Nosler Partition bullet in front of 72.0 grains of IMR 4350. All were one shot kills with no tracking. That load in my Ruger consistently shoots 1 3/4" groups at 200 (two hundred) yards, hot or cold, rain or shine.) If you shoot accurately, you'll have no problem with your Nosler Partition load in your .338, on elk. JMHO. L.W.
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My various 338's used anywhere from 71.5-73 grs of H4350 and various 225's.
Ditto disclaimer above.
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NorthFork bullets come with a warning that due to their design, excessive pressure may develop a few grains below where another brand of bullet with equal weight would. I have only loaded Northfork bullets in 35 caliber. So far I've only shot paper with them, but they've been extremely accurate.
When I ordered my Nortfork bullets the fellow there said that they were planning to come out with their own reloading manual soon. I don't remember the fellow's name, but he seemed like a really nice guy.
He told me in no uncertain terms that it was not just lawyer/product liability concerns behind the suggestion for using a few grains less powder. John
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Go here and checkout the loads... http://www.reloadersnest.com/frontpage.asp?CaliberID=71I have 2 338's and use 210 Noslers most of the time. I've yet to recover a bullet, so don't see the need for more weight. Here's my favorite load... Bullet Nosler Partition 210 grs Powder IMR 4350 PowderWeight 70.5 grs Primer CCI 250 Brass Make Federal Barrel Length 26 (inches) C.O.L 3.33 (inches) Velocity 2916 fps Gun Info Model 70 SS Classic Comment Excellent Elk load, hits hard, shoots flat.
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Report back on loading the Northforks. Northfork is not kidding when they say watch for pressure signs at a slightly less load when using their bullets. I found that the best combination was 70.5 gr. H4350, Fed 215, Northfork 225 gr. and keeping it .035 off the lands. This formula is super accurate in My Rem 700/Lilja 24" (1in10) @ 2815 fps. Just hope the elk think its as good as I do!
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