Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Unreasonably high minimum wage ..... ?

Bottom line. You seem to think removing government regulation from the work place will allow employers to pay less than the current minimum wage. I'm saying remove it but remove it ALL, including government "handouts" of taxpayer money and the cost of labor WILL GO UP.

Take on another roommate. This is what immigrants do. Hell, five or six of them will live in the back room of a grocery store that they own and operate, just so they can put money away. Keep in mind that said situations are not supposed to be life long prospects. You improve your situation as you gain experience, track record, and as opportunities arise.

The cost of overpaid employees gets passed on to the consumer. I guess I see your point if you prefer it to get passed onto the consumer, because everyone is a consumer but only half the people pay taxes. I don't think either should have to absorb it. The reality is that the government is about to run out of money to subsidize able bodied people as well as pay retirement and health care costs for the elderly. So, sooner or later, value judgments will have to be made about who survives and the quality of life.

We have some of those vegetable farms here. The Meskins are paid a couple bucks under minimum wage and live in chicken coops. I don't want to live that way and wouldn't expect any of my fellow Americans to do so either.

I think that I get it now. All the folks that work in the tall buildings should make all the money. All the blue collars that produce or are in service trades should either be slaves or work for room and board or have to shop at the company stores. Boss man can decide a fair wage. Bring in the Irish, Chinese, and Mexicans.

God bless Colorado. Just load up the state miliatia on flat cars with machine guns and shoot into those families. Them was the good old days.

That seems to be the attitude of most here doesn't it ?

So the pro sports team owners and players have more money in their pockets by paying the peanut/popcorn and beer vendors less. Oh yeah the many statiums are built at taxpayer expense also.

Thanks for the advice but ...........

I have a very nice house with a view of the Rockies and I manage pay the mortgage without needing roomates. I've already been through the improvement, experience, track record phase.

You guys keep getting stuck in the idea that these situation must be permanent. Why is that?

Also, for five years I supervised a staff of Ukrainian immigrant workers on work visas. The area was full of these folks at this time (shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union). The way they got housing was to get a bunch of them together and rent an apartment in the worst part of town. They'd all buy one beater car (all of them knew how to keep a car running on a wire hanger and a piece of chewing gum), and they'd shuttle everybody to their low skill jobs and back home again. They weren't living pay check to pay check. They were socking away lots of money this way, paying all their bills on their own, no help.

I assumed you understood I was speaking hypothetically, not about you personally. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

very few adult workers earn the minimum wage. less than 5% of total work force is minimum wage, and even fewer adults.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2009.htm


the artificially high minimum wage....in excess of the economic value of many of the jobs that pay it....is one reason for high unemployment, particularly among teenagers.

it was never intended to be a "living wage"....whatever that socialist bullschit is supposed to mean. people are supposed to get paid what they're worth, not what they "need."

You can't hire an employee for mimimum wage worth keeping. If you think so hire them. I'm surprised your business is still in business.

Sorry. I made the the mistake of using the term "living wage" along with minimum wage. They're two seperate terms which have no relationship and shouldn't have either.

i am a capitolist at heart but come on guys whites living like bosnians and mexi's 10 to an apartment. that sucks ! howabout we get all the fat azzes milking unemployment dry to live in shelters till they find a job ! and mikey-d's is a fine place to start

Minimum wage is like marijuana, it takes away the pain of mediocrity.

As I've mentioned in other threads, if your tallents are no better than someone who is a non citizen, doesn't speak english and has no job skills, why should you be paid a living wage???

Chitty low paying work is a powerful motivator to gain skills and get a good job. The thinking that providing a living wage to someone that has no job skills is a benefit to our society is grossly flawed thinking.

Instead of having the government force employers to artificially inflate wages for those jobs, the workers should be getting a second job, taking odd jobs on the side, or starting a small business.

If somebody wants to be successful, all they have to do is bust azz and go get it. If they think their no skill job should include funds for a car, tv, beer and cigarettes, I for one am sick and tired of subsidizing their laziness.

"The thinking that providing a living wage to someone that has no job skills is a benefit to our society is grossly flawed thinking."

No disagreements with that.

Another load of bullschitt from somebody with their head up their A$$. I bet you haven't the foggiest clue what some of these low paying jobs are or just what they entail. Oh you do ? Then let's hear it ! I know a bunch of folks that have these 7-9.00 jobs and some of them require alot more work and brain power than many would believe. In fact I've seen a helluva lot of college grads that weeren't worth a schitt at them. The thing is you sorry SOB'S NEED these jobs done, wouldn't lower yourselves to doing them but at the same time look down your noses at those who do and begrudge them a liveable wage for doing them. The worst of it is, the trend is for these service ondustry jobs to become a bigger and bigger part of our economy in the future. If you don't personally know someone who is stuck in one now, you will in the future and heaven forbid it end up being you or someone you love. Your attitude will change then as reality jumps up and b*tch slaps you upside the head.

Mimimum wage is the governments way of telling you that people would pay you less if they legally could. Maybe that should be a hint if you're out of high school.

Let me tell you tho if a young couple can each work a 40 hour week at minimum wage and not start producing 8 rug rats 3 months after they are married - they can get by. That's $30k+ a year for two people with minimal skills. Planning to stay there the rest of your life or start having babies right off is a bad plan tho.

What a couple with minimal education and skill can afford...doesn't matter how nice it is.

If they're willing to work and have so much brain, why are they working minimum wage jobs? Look at the link....of all the adults in this country, something like 3% earn minimum wage.

Obviously, nobody but you considers them so smart and hard working. Good workers get paid more because they make money for their employers.

Most likely crappy work habits, substance abuse issues, etc. Minimum wage is for entry level workers, not supposed to be a lifetime career to raise a family on.