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Texas Rick - ? How can the 300 Savage be considered a "30-06 equivalent" cartridge?
That one ESCAPES me! ! I second that. Check out the article in this month's American Rifleman on the .300 Savage! whelennut
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Not original....but.....................
I remember seeing back in the 90's something about a cartridge off the 348 Win that was altered in some fashion by a fellow named Jim Busha, of HEAVY EXPRESS, INC.
I've never heard of it since...
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After reading all this I must conclude that Norma made a big mistake by calling the 6.5x284 Norma Magnum. Guess they didn't read these posts.
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When did they do that? It's called the 6,5-284 on their website.
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So Children what I have learned here today is that a Magnum cartridge is called Magnum because it is larger or maybe not.It has a Belt or maybe not.It has a larger powder capacity,or maybe not and it makes bullets go faster or maybe not!!!!!!
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or maybe not!! 
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"magnum" is as meaningless as "long range shooting".
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When did they do that? It's called the 6,5-284 on their website. You are correct it's not Norma that called it a magnum it's Savage that labels the 12F as a 6.5x284 Norma Mag probably so it doesn't get mistaken for the 6.5
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or maybe not!! Maybe so!!!! 
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I talked to Jim Busha back in the day when his Heavy Express, Inc. was still in business. He had two lines of cartridges based on the .348 Win case (rim turned down and converted to rimless). I was working on an article for African Hunter on .450s, and I thought his .450 HE Short Action Magnum would be cool. The case had an OAL of 2.06" and a 46 degree shoulder. The rifle he sent was a Ruger M77 short action with a recoil system installed. Shortly thereafter Winchester introduced the .300 WSM and Jim's sales vanished, so he shut HE down.
As I recall the .348 descended from the .50-110 black powder case itself.
I remember the shops in Ventura County where Ray Gradle worked, and everyone should read how he formed cases by a hydraulic process -- just to know you don't want to do that.
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If you can swage belts into cases, can you fire-form the belts off? I.e. form the brass in front of the belt to the same diameter as the belt?
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If you can swage belts into cases, can you fire-form the belts off? I.e. form the brass in front of the belt to the same diameter as the belt? Then you would have a rebated rim.
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I find it odd that the cartridge that started the magnum craze in 1912 was not called a magnum. It was called the .375 Belted Rimless Nitro Express.
In my opinion, the word "magnum" should be expunged. I like the .375 BCEI instead. (BCEI means Best Cartridge Ever Invented). Which is humorous in that essentially the same case in beltless guise was called the 350 Rigby magnum, and it predated the 375 H&H by I believe 4 years, some sources claim it being introduced in 1908.
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If you can swage belts into cases, can you fire-form the belts off? I.e. form the brass in front of the belt to the same diameter as the belt? Not really. The case head extends somewhat past the belt, so if you fire formed a case to the full dia of the belt, the resulting case would likely look like it had a second extractor groove in front of the case head. It would also more than likely have a cirumfrential failure at that spot, aka case head seperation.
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458 Lott - + 2 on case head seperation.
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My vote/guess for the first short magnum and first belted cartridge is the .375 Veloplex of around 1910. It was a dismal failure but prompted the .375 H&H.
When did the .30 Super become the H&H magnum?
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My votes goes to the 6.5 RM and the 350 RM
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IndyCA35 - Re - the 375 Belted Rimless Nitro Express.
In Europe (Britain) EXPRESS has the same connotation as Magnum in the US.
That's why Rem. dropped express from the 7 mm back to 280 Rem.
Just passing on info
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