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Originally Posted by Paddler
Bachmann was clearly confused on the slavery issue, the follow up explanation was merely spin so that she wouldn't look so ignernt. Didn't fool anybody. She's not somebody I would want in charge of the PTA, as the education of our children is far too important to be entrusted to the likes of her.

Somebody above was wrong, if you can imagine that somebody on the internet could be wrong. McCain's fatal mistake was choosing Palin as his running mate. For many Americans, her stupidity killed the ticket. I could have voted for McCain, but when his choice was announced, I lost all faith in his judgement.





Ignorant people who call people �ignernt� and don�t know how to spell �judgment� have nothing but name calling to bring to the conversation.

So how much did Palin energize McCain�s floundering campaign?
You can look up how much the crowd size increased thanks to Palin.
It is a matter of record.



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Nobody ever said she didn't bring energy to the campaign, and she's a lot better looking than McCain. What she didn't bring was brains, because she has none. Unfortunately, the electorate falls for the sizzle too often, and doesn't insist on the steak.

I thought the "ignernt" was a nice, folksy touch, and appropriate given her propensity for intentionally dropping her "g"s. Oh, and thanks for picking up the typo, except for the fact that I spelled it correctly, of course. You may kiss my ass now, BSer. grin


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Originally Posted by northwestalaska
Good points and I agree with you. Both ladies are brain dead and should not be incharge of anything other than the PTA.






I have never heard of a brain dead Fed. tax attorney nor a brain dead Governor with an 80% approval rating.


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You haven't? Let me help you out--- Bachmann and Palin. Of course, Palin's approval rating would have fallen if she wasn't a quitter. Anybody seen a poll on whether or not Alaskans think she made the right decision? I understand they're glad to be rid of her.


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Originally Posted by rrroae
Until the right figures out who they are, they're going to have trouble winning no matter who they put up.



You have the one segment of the right who thinks US world domination trumps every other issue. You have another segment who views moral issues above all else. Then you have some who want as little government as possible in every aspect.



Those groups don't mesh very well as we've seen right here on a conservative dominated board.





You got that right Laddie.


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Did I miss something? Did Mrs. Palin announce she is in the big game or is she still a quit term Governor of a very small state?

Well yes she is a a rich "reality" show hostess well onto becoming a plutocrat of some moment. May she continue to prosper in her chosen field.


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Anyway, I don't want two fuggin' Micheles in the White House back to back.


You lost any credibility you had making this statement. What the hell does the name have to do with anything?

For those who are getting hung up on her 5 year ('88-93) IRS tenure, you are making a foolish generalization. Why did she quit after 5 years? Maybe she saw the waste, fraud and abuse and wanted out? Maybe she wanted to go to Congress and do something positive? Having worked for the IRS gives her MORE "street cred" when she calls them out for the bloated bureaucracy they are!


Credibility was never a deep concern of mine. So far as the "Micheles" remark, you need to work on your sense of humor.

As far as her tenure with IRS, I rather imagine that's a lot like trying gay once then claiming your not. The problem there isn't the length of career, it's the mindset that allows one to enter the field to start with. It reeks of Big Government mentality. Don't trust Bachmann and never will. Fluff, no substance, sort of like Barry....


Sort of, but with differences.
Paler of complexion, sure of ancestry and birth place, and less inclined to misinterpret own gender.

On your other points, Dan, complete agreement.


Screw BAchman. And the horse she rode in on. And all the rest of these GD people Team R seem so endeared by. I chit you not, if it's another pawlenty, bachman, McDole, huckabutt, romney, or any of these other useless pukes the GOP has had stuck in their throats and unable to dislodge for the last 20 years, I swear to God above, I'll vote for Obama.
I'll do it!







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Originally Posted by Gath_Sten
Originally Posted by The Real Hawkeye
The center is largely made up of people who are not strongly political in their thinking, i.e., they don't have a strongly developed political view or position. Therefore they are subject to be swayed one way or the other. One is more likely to be swayed when one sees enthusiasm and excitement among those who advocate a political view.


That�s the theory that keeps political consultants employed, but it�s far from reality. Many people in the center just don�t buy the BS from left or right wingers. An enthusiastic left or right base turns the center off. To win the center we need a candidate who can convince them they�ll have more money in their pocket if he�s elected. Reagan knew that and used it against Carter to good effect, and kept his job for a second term because the economy was improving; remember stay the course? Bush 41 rode that same wave into office.

Originally Posted by The Real Hawkeye
McCain couldn't have that effect because he himself was not a true believer in conservatism (he was a centrist, like the sort of candidate you're recommending now), and therefore excited no one.


McCain lost because he was a dull old fart running on the war. When the economy went south McCain said he didn�t know much about it and made similarly stupid statements. Then he did the ultimate dumb thing of suspending his campaign to go to Washington to deal with TARP, only to be ignored. The economy and war fatigue is what won Obama the election, not some ideological change in the nation from right to center to well left of center, although the liberals tried to make that claim.

Now the same idiots who gave us McCain are at play again. That�s my real peeve. Why should the same bunch always have first crack at narrowing down the candidates? To fix Washington the primary process needs to be fixed or we�ll just keep getting the same bunch of horse sh*t candidates for president.


Best post on the whole thread!



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Originally Posted by eyeball
barkoff is right, the middle is more conservative than the republican party at this time.


There's a bulls eye, right there.
That eyeball of yours sees crystal clear.... and right to the heart of this matter.




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we tried the center with mc lame and before that with bob cold


Neither lost because they were near the center politically, they lost because they were poor candidates from the get go. Dole was a throw-away against Clinton for his second term; back when spending was under control and the economy was doing great. Dole was 73, the oldest first-time presidential nominee even beating Ronald Reagan. McCain ran on the Iraq war and was poorly prepared to run on the economy and even said he didn�t know much about it.

If Republicans run some rightwingnut this time they�ll not only lose the center they�ll lose moderate Republicans and give Obama a landslide victory that he�ll falsely claim is a mandate for more socialist laws.


And ya done it again!
The GOP needs relegated to the dung heap of history. They either have nothing left to offer or have decided they're the enemy. Either way their demise is nigh at hand if they don't make DRASTIC changes in their tired, worn out old ways.

And I honestly don't give a [bleep] anymore. I hope they DO finish their slow and ugly suicide, in a very public manner. I"m done with 'em. Strait to hell, the entire lot. Sooner the better, too. I swear to God they've become worse than the liberals. TRH, DD, RRR and a few others on here see it. All you blind SOB's evidently need a few more big spoonfulls of their chit stuffed down your throats and a few more of their injections directly up your asses.

Here's to hoping you get both, soon and plenteous.











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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Any candidate who gets up in front of the people and tells them exactly how dire the situation is and what it will take to truly fix it will be lucky to get 2% of the vote.

It's gonna take more than goring the ox,...he's gonna have to be nuked.

Candidates will talk about a little bit of reform here and there,...but they're not going to explain what 14 trillion dollars of debt and 75 trillion dollars in entitlements over the next 20 years really means.


you knucklehead neocon team R loving pseudo-cons need to start listening to this man, and a few others on here. TRH made some excellent points in this thread as did many others.

You people deserve the dingleBarry's and AlGalore's of the political world. You really do.

Sarah Palin/Ron Paul in 2012.
All the rest is just meaningless twaddle.
And I swear to God I'll vote for Obama.

I will! I'll do it!

I'm going to go finish reading the thread. ONly about half way through... and pissed off, as usual...





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Originally Posted by northwestalaska
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Haven't followed it but didn't she recently make another gaff, this time about slaves or something?
She said the Founding Fathers were committed to eliminating slavery. She was right in the sense that many of them were so committed, but realized that the Southern states wouldn't join the union unless it was left to the states to decide on its legality individually. The anti-slavery Founding Fathers figured that once the union was formed, they could gradually work on eliminating slavery. They didn't realize quite how deeply it was going to become institutionalized in the South. Not really a gaff if you think about it that way. She probably should have said many of the Founding Fathers were committed to ending slavery.



Many owned slaves so how commited were they?
Bachman mis-spoke, no way! If she puts O'Donnell on her ticket we all will forget who Sarah was! Bachamn... the new Sarah, with only 1/2 the brains. Is that possible?


You being a teacher have a lot of balls talking about Sarah and Bachmann being stupid when a few posts up you spelled again as "againe". And if you are going to berate Bachmann learn how to spell her name. You libs are so much a legend in your own minds.


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Originally Posted by northwestalaska
Good points and I agree with you. Both ladies are brain dead and should not be incharge of anything other than the PTA.


Another one from our brain dead teacher. In charge is two words, no wonder our educational system is in the toilet.


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Originally Posted by Paddler
Bachmann was clearly confused on the slavery issue, the follow up explanation was merely spin so that she wouldn't look so ignernt. Didn't fool anybody. She's not somebody I would want in charge of the PTA, as the education of our children is far too important to be entrusted to the likes of her.

Somebody above was wrong, if you can imagine that somebody on the internet could be wrong. McCain's fatal mistake was choosing Palin as his running mate. For many Americans, her stupidity killed the ticket. I could have voted for McCain, but when his choice was announced, I lost all faith in his judgement.


You can't even spell ignorant, dumb azz. Until you can spell you shouldn't call others stupid. Spelling is third grade stuff and you haven't conquered it yet.


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Originally Posted by Paddler
You haven't? Let me help you out--- Bachmann and Palin. Of course, Palin's approval rating would have fallen if she wasn't a quitter. Anybody seen a poll on whether or not Alaskans think she made the right decision? I understand they're glad to be rid of her.


Not me nor most Alaskans I know. How many up here do you personally know? That is what I thought.


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Originally Posted by Archerhunter
I chit you not, if it's another pawlenty, bachman, McDole, huckabutt, romney, or any of these other useless pukes the GOP has had stuck in their throats and unable to dislodge for the last 20 years, I swear to God above, I'll vote for Obama.
I'll do it!
Having trouble understanding how you're putting Bachmann in the same category with those folks. Palin and Bachmann are allies. I actually prefer Bachmann to Palin, as I think she's more authentically conservative than Palin. Of course I'd much rather have Paul/Johnson, as they are the real real deal.

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Originally Posted by Archerhunter
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barkoff is right, the middle is more conservative than the republican party at this time.


There's a bulls eye, right there.
That eyeball of yours sees crystal clear.... and right to the heart of this matter.


It might be that some terms are being confused here. The middle refers to those who are neither right nor left. Same for the center and the moderates. Then there's independents. An independent could be an independent for several reasons. They could be independent because they're neither left nor right, but rather in the middle, or they could be independent because the Democrat Party is not left wing enough for them or the Republican Party is not right wing enough for them. Independent is more of a mixed bag kind of reference than is the middle.

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I don't think Bachman has the gumption let alone guts to take on the establishment repubs. They need kicked in the nuts, HARD and repeatedly. Palin has proven not only willing but eager and her success in that arena still resounds loud and clear to more than a few.
Establishment Repubs, neocons, war mongers, fed reserve lovers, etc etc - everything that is wrong on the right - fears Palin just as much if not more than the liberal left. I don't see that with Bachman.

To be honest I like Bachman better than any of the rest of the field of retards and rejects and retreads, but the margin is small.

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I've said it since high school and still believe it true. the American people only think they choose their president. Fact is they choose one name from the two chosen for them. That's not a choice and it's not we the people running the government, it's being led along on a rope like a tame milking cow choosing which milker gets to grab and yank your tits for the next 4 years.



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Originally Posted by Archerhunter

I don't think Bachman has the gumption let alone guts to take on the establishment repubs. They need kicked in the nuts, HARD and repeatedly. Palin has proven not only willing but eager and her success in that arena still resounds loud and clear to more than a few.
Establishment Repubs, neocons, war mongers, fed reserve lovers, etc etc - everything that is wrong on the right - fears Palin just as much if not more than the liberal left. I don't see that with Bachman.

To be honest I like Bachman better than any of the rest of the field of retards and rejects and retreads, but the margin is small.

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Now the same idiots who gave us McCain are at play again. That�s my real peeve. Why should the same bunch always have first crack at narrowing down the candidates? To fix Washington the primary process needs to be fixed or we�ll just keep getting the same bunch of horse sh*t candidates for president.


I've said it since high school and still believe it true. the American people only think they choose their president. Fact is they choose one name from the two chosen for them. That's not a choice and it's not we the people running the government, it's being led along on a rope like a tame milking cow choosing which milker gets to grab and yank your tits for the next 4 years.

I have my suspicions about the primary process too.

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Originally Posted by Archerhunter
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Screw BAchman. And the horse she rode in on. And all the rest of these GD people Team R seem so endeared by. I chit you not, if it's another pawlenty, bachman, McDole, huckabutt, romney, or any of these other useless pukes the GOP has had stuck in their throats and unable to dislodge for the last 20 years, I swear to God above, I'll vote for Obama.
I'll do it!









I like your anger Archer.


Too many get numbed down and accept the crap that's forced on us instead of taking a stand. The only thing more annoying than liberals are conservatives who vote for some half azzed Republican under the pretense they are a little bit better than the other side. We keep sliding down this hole and everyone stands around pulling their little peckers wondering why things ain't changing.


Until folks get a pair of balls and quit accepting the notion we have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, we'll be destined to watch our wallets lighten and our rights continually come under attack.

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