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I don't even think the .243 is legal for Moose in New England so I couldn't try it if I wanted too. But I don't anyway.
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Most of the laffers and mockers on this thread wouldn't either... which cracks me up! I'm rollin'! Laffin'! Y'all owe me a keyboard! Etc!
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It's a slippery slope to say a .243 is big enough, next a .223 is big enough. How can I justify a .338 Federal when a .223 is big enough? Who needs a .416 Ruger if a .243 is big enough? Shot placement is everything IMO, but sometimes things take a step just as you fire and a branch gets in the way etc. Bring your flashlight and a canteen and everything will work out, (hopefully). I would say have the kid practice and use the 6.5 just because it has a good reputation for penetration. When he grows up then he can use the quick twist .223 AI with heavy bullets like Big Stick. You have to walk before you can run. whelennut Please pass the popcorn.
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Can a 243 kill moose? Yes!
But why use a 243 when the OP has the 6.5 which his son has used before?
Keeping things in a proper or let`s say in a better perspective, the 243 is "NOT" a moose round. It is a deer, antelope, hog, and throw in a black bear round. That is what it is, and that is what it does best.
There is no need to use or why even consider using an extremely borderline/threading the needle cartridge on a big game animal such as moose. Just because 243s may have been successfully used on moose in the past, doesn`t mean that it should be considered and used more often on moose than not.
Imo, a 6.5mm would be the minimum bullet diameter I would use on moose. If it were me on any hunt, using borderline cartridges and threading needles is not advised.
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IMHO the 6.5x55 is a good answer as it is a good alround cartridge. Teach with the light slugs and then, move up the scale, if that's even needed. Sectional density on a slug in the 129 range is well, a killer.
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A quick glance at the ballistics tables from an older Sierra load manual, shows that the 6.5 with their 140 gr bullet at their listed max velocity of 2500, and a 100 gr 243 bullet at 2900, the only difference besides the .031 bullet diameter is the sectional density, 281 v .242.... other than that the fpe energy is close enough to call identical....
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Hey guys, he didn't get draw for moose, so it's a moot point. Thanks for the input. As if that'll stop the debate! Sorry about the bad luck on the tag...
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Everytime I read these..." is such and such caliber okay for such and such animal" threads I'm always surprised how people fail to identify that the only limitation of a relative small caliber for a given animal is effective distance. With a premium bullet like a TSX pretty much any caliber can be a killer on anything at a reasonable distance for THAT caliber. All you're giving up in choosing a .243 over a 7 mag for moose (for example) is effective yardage. Same as using a .223 over a .270 for deer...just can't pull off the same shots. After killing a bunch of big stuff with a bow here in Manitoba for 20 years any centerfire almost seems like cheating! LOL I'm sure I could have killed this guy with a 62 gr .223 TSX had that been the case...
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I know Indians up in the north of Ontario that use a 22LR to kill moose, but that don't make it a moose rifle.
Sorry the lad didn't draw a tag, Sask. Better luck next year.
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Everytime I read these..." is such and such caliber okay for such and such animal" threads I'm always surprised how people fail to identify that the only limitation of a relative small caliber for a given animal is effective distance. With a premium bullet like a TSX pretty much any caliber can be a killer on anything at a reasonable distance for THAT caliber. All you're giving up in choosing a .243 over a 7 mag for moose (for example) is effective yardage. Same as using a .223 over a .270 for deer...just can't pull off the same shots. After killing a bunch of big stuff with a bow here in Manitoba for 20 years any centerfire almost seems like cheating! LOL I'm sure I could have killed this guy with a 62 gr .223 TSX had that been the case... Great post! That's it exactly.
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Killzone - GREAT pic.....GREAT Moose.....
I'm jealous. Keep it up! !
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I don't even think the .243 is legal for Moose in New England so I couldn't try it if I wanted too. But I don't anyway. Interesting what Mr. Google can find... In Vermont, no a 243 wouldn't be legal, but a 25-20 or a 25-35 would be.( Interesting read there about "moose guide" permits as well) New Hampshire and Maine exclude 17 and 22 rimfires, and shotguns with buckshot.... No mention of rifle calibers..
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Outstanding thread!
Growing up in Northern Ontario, we only hunted moose with the rifles that we could afford. Me, Mike Fike and our native friend, Injun Joe-Seppy (yeah, that's the correct spelling) used anything that we could lay our hands on - bows, spears, 22 single shots - whatever. My favourite was a 22 Hornet. Injun Joe-Seppy liked his father's 25-25 Stevens.
Before I go any farther, let me explain my friend's names. I know that you'll pester me with questions if I don't. Mike Fike got his name because when Mike was born, his father was sitting in the delivery room of the hospital, drunk. For some reason, he started singing that song called "The Name Game". The older ones among you will know it,
Come on everybody! I say now let's play a game I betcha I can make a rhyme out of anybody's name!
He took a flask out of his pocket when the nurses weren't looking, took a healthy swig, stared into the mirror and started laughing. Then he sang this.
Michael, Michael, Bo-Bichael Banana-fanna fo-Fichael, Fee-Fy-Fo-Fichael. Michael!
That's how Mike Fike got his name. It resulted from too much Canadian Club.
Injun Joe-Seppy came from a mixed family. His father was a full blooded Mohawk and his mother was from Italy. His father loved Mark Twain books; The Adventures of Tom Sawyer in particular. He said that his first born would be named after his favourite character in the book - Joe. Joe-Seppy's mom didn't speak very good English and thought that her husband wanted to name the boy after her father, Guiseppe. Somehow, the message got mixed up at the courthouse and the clerk recorded the name as Joe-Seppy. Go figure. Damn government people...
Anyway, with that explanation out of the way, back to the guns. We were at my farm just before hunting season, cleaning stuff up and dreaming about our big adventure. Mike, Joe-Seppy and me were all fourteen, so we had a lot of planning to do. It was our first hunt as men. We knew we were men because Joe-Seppy's dad told us so. We had to go out and get a moose by ourselves, skin it out with a pocket knife and bring what we could back home. It was our time. So we did. I shot a calf with my 22 Hornet.
Thanks for reading.
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Speaking of the farm, here's something to completely throw this thread off track.
We got indoor plumbing in 1962. It was a banner year for my mother, finally having a place to sit down inside the house. Mind you, dad and I missed the outhouse. Staring at that brand new, shiny porcelain chair brought a tear to dad's eyes.
"Son, it's a sad day today. No longer will we know the joy of doing our business in the privacy of the two holer. Damn, it's over! We're going to have to spend more time at your uncle's farm, okay?"
The idea of going for a dump in the same building where you cook food has always bothered dad. Me too, I guess. Anyway, on with the verse.
The Devil and the Outhouse
Disaster struck the farm When Uncle Olaf left the barn He felt a movement coming on And pretty soon But not knowing where to go When it's 38 below Can make a man do crazy things Or, so I'm told
Far off on the horizon, Where the sun was gently resting On the blessed hills we were proud to call our own We could hear a jet like rush And saw a fireball as such Flying hell-bent for election towards our home
Uncle Olaf disappeared And it was much too late, I feared To try and track him in the snow and frigid night
Dad said, "Run for cover! Don't you worry 'bout your mother She'll meet up with Uncle Olaf in the sky."
So we slogged through waist high snow And I was feeling aw'fly low I thought the devil had arrived and we'd soon die
In the pitch black yard, I was sloggin' pretty hard For to hide from Perdition, or so I thought
And as the light grew brighter And my fear grew brighter too I was confused and lost track of where I was I couldn't see a thing and loudly I began to sing The blessed hymns of old I knew so very well
"Tis Beelzebub himself!" cried a disembodied voice From somewhere way out past the great beyond "Get down! Get down! Get down and hug the ground!"
�Uncle Olaf, is that you?� I yelled around
Lord Thund'ring Grace! I could see the devil's face He'd come to take us straight to hell. Do not pass GO! And the fear inside me mounted and through the air I quickly vaulted Feeling nothing but the ache of impending doom
I could have sworn the wind had lifted me And the devil must have shifted me For when I struck the ground, no ice and snow
In the darkness of the place I felt all warm My hands, my face But the gentle ground soon coughed up another dread
Satan's plans be damned For I was not in God's good hands But in the pit Where once the outhouse barely stood
And as the foggy memory of the afternoon's activity Cleared up and recognition took its place I suddenly remembered why, The day had flown so quickly by Our two holer was being moved to a new space
Lucifer just laughed And cried, "Young man, please take a bath! You smell so bad that I won't claim your wretched soul. Consider yourself charmed, You've escaped today unharmed And I'm content to wait and try another time.�
And I told the preacher that After I came out of the bath But he just scolded me for telling such a fib
Then Uncle Olaf winked and said, "Boy, I ain't no fink. I heard you talkin' to the devil. That's no lie. And I woulda helped you too, But you was covered up with poo And lord, I was reviled and stayed away
So, I got a little secret and my uncle, he's got his And to this day I'm so very proud to state That was the day I ducked the devil, Who trod our farmyard damp and level By getting into lots and lots of schitt.
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Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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We all know Moose have been killed and will continue to be killed with .243's. I just question choosing one over a 6.5 that's in the cabinet too.
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Common sense ain't all that common in some areas of the planet.
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Moosemike, I'd likely had had him use the 6.5. However, the .243 is a youth model, fits him better, and is at least a couple pounds lighter.....hence the consideration.
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