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Redneck;

Exactly.

BOTH parties have crippled this once-great nation, and deserve to be eliminated like the back-biting, theiving, manged yellow dogs that they are.

you're not paying attention, neck.....BTW that second paragraph was me talking, not my source.

big cuts to current budgets are what we need....not what this deal does. this is at best a little wrist slap to the tax'n'spenders, but when you don't own the white house or the senate you don't have the power to force your view. best result is a tactical victory, implanting the idea in the public mind that the GOP will cut this crap given the chance and the democrats are for more of the same. that message carried through 2012 will get us the senate and the white house.

BTW, I really like Connie Macks plan....simple, the numbers work, no smoke and mirrors. IMHO that, or something like it, is what all Republicans should get behind as the 2012 mantra.

EXACTLY! I mean how hard is it to COMPREHEND that one part of one part of the government cannot dictate to the two parts that don't??? I mean this is like a GEICO commercial.

These fools are playing with dynamite. MOF that is too easy of a term. You have a group of individuals who are actively trying to place a blowtorch in an open vat of dynamite.

~sigh~

One good thing will come out of this at least. We can dispense with all of the pretext and guerrilla tactics of the ongoing class war. The last few years have kind of laid the corruption and fraud of our current economic system bare, this debate is serving to do the same for the motivations of our political economy. In the long run it is inevitable that we will address the underlying problems in this nation or descend into 3rd world status. I just never thought it would play out in this manner.

Will

And as far as this talk about "we can't make it happen with the make up of congress", there's one simple solution to that. We won a landslide victory last year in the House. We control the House. Don't send the man ANY bill that is not a smaller budget than this year- period. In the House, vote down ANY other bill. Give the man NO choice whatsoever in the discussion. And if no bill passes that is an actual budget reduction, start implementing mandatory shutdowns of entire departments of the government in order to pay the bills that must be paid to avoid a default. Take the crisis away from them. Pay the debt interest, pay the SS checks, pay the military first. Then send about half the govt employees home without pay until they are serious about this.

Curious as to which is the case, three trillion in short term cuts needed to avoid the down grade, or the down grade was a political ploy (kinda like threatening seniors).

I have my hunch, since no bill offered the required cuts.

Hows this for a plan?

http://www.thedailycrux.com/content/8258/Government_Stupidity/eml

OP;

That would require .gov to NOT be in it solely for .gov, and for the (R)s to simply NOT be the other head of the same snake as the (D)s.

No chance in Hell of that happening.

Steve, not too very long ago, Team (R) owned the House, the Senate, and the White House.

And, the spent like frat kids on Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras.

They did nothing except make the debt problem, entitlements, and spending WORSE.

The "trust us, we won't do it again" schtick is WAY past old at this point.

The way I hear Paul Ryan describe it, the "moderate" R's in the House have threatened to vote with the D's to pass something similar to the Reid Bill if the Tea Party R's push for "draconian" cuts.

Face it, we're F'd. We will get to deal with this yet again, with the market dictating the terms. With very few exceptions the entire DC structure is a city full of clowns. Dangerous clowns, but clowns none the less.

VA, here's my biggest beef on this. We currently have the biggest, bloated, out of control budget in the history of the country. Obama has raised the budget by around 30% in a little over two years. The EPA's budget along has grown by over 100% in two years. And we cannot even stand firm and demand they agree to a lower budget than this one??? WTF. If this was the 2008 budget, I could see them arguing over cuts, but it isn't. We are light years over that budget under one man. This is total insanity. Imagine going to the car dealer and expecting the normal sticker shock when you see the retail price. But when you get there, the dealer added 2k on top of full retail. That's the budget we have. [bleep], we can't even get the friggin dealer down to full retail? All this crisis talk is crap. Just like they did for TARP, just like they did for Fanny Mae, just like they did for GM, just like they did for Obama Care, just like they are doing right now. I say reject any bill that is not a smaller budget than THIS year (ie an actual drop in the budget). If he doesn't sign it, HE can explain to the people why he cannot cut spending by a single dime.

The Tea Party folks are the only ones there who are serious about fixing the nation and they are draconian. We are in a serious pile of schit here guys.

you say that as if you think you're imparting new information. the tea party and Obama's three trillion plus deficits have changed the landscape, and the GOP is going to have to run....and did run successfully in 2010....as the party of cutting spending.

if they don't, there will be a third party that will, and Obama and the democrats will be safe for a generation.

Hell, "W"'s budgets were complete insanity, like an addict getting free run at their drug of choice.

Where we are now is in overdose mode, and NEITHER party wants to cut off their "fix".

Steve;

I "thought" that Team (R) 'always' ran as the party of fiscal responsibility?

Or, is that simply since they no longer hold majorities in all branches of .gov?

Res ipsa loquitur, no?

Finally you say something that makes sense. Bush got us into this mess, and we need to reverse his strategies of failure. End the tax cuts for the wealthy, the oil company subsidies, close the tax loopholes, get us out of the Missle East rabbit hole (some would say "[bleep]"), revamp Medicare and Medicaid, with special attention to fraud and abuse, cut military spending, etc, as a good start.

Never lose sight of the strategic situation. Pass this and you back Obama up against a wall. Kill ,arguing for a better bill that will never happen and the blame will go solely on the GOP.

You will then inch closer to giving the reins completely back to the Dem's in 2012.

I think Steve's analysis is the correct one given the circumstances.

Like I said, it WILL be resolved, but it will be by market forces, and it will be very painful. The market will force a decrease of at least 12% GDP, or whatever amount that we need to borrow. If the Fed begins another round of QE to make up the market shortfall, that will trigger the loss of confidence and accelerate the decline in the FRN$ to its intrinsic value as a source for heat.

Like I said, we're F'd. We're going to get a downgrade no matter what type of bill is passed, unless it contains at least $4 Trillion in real cuts, not baseline budgetary smoke and mirrors.

The government fiddles while Rome burns.

I agree with you on that thought Steve. But this is the last chance before the next election to PROVE to the people that they are going to demand what you say. Neither Reid's or Boehner's bill does anything but prove neither party is willing to do that. So when election time comes around, why would the voters look at this record and believe what you said? Why would they vote to send more Rs in DC? We won a landslide last year because we wanted to send people like the Tea Party guys to do exactly what they are doing. Now we are willing to let the establishment losers throw those same people under the bus. This is depressing, especially on this damned Fire fat boy diet

wanna sell me on the crisis.....end congressional post term benefits and retirements. they are afterall elected servants of the country right?.....so why are we keeping them on the kings welfare forever. collect a fair wage while working and then hit the skids. when I see that, then I know we are close to total dissolvement.