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Think carefully before you answer.
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Nope, I am forced to pay into it, therefore, it is a loan from me to the government, and it is supposed to be repaid upon my retirement!
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YEP, that is the truth in a nut shell.
SOME of it became an entitlement when SSI was allowed for those that NEVER paid in though, STEALING MY money for leeches!
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
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It's a government run Ponzi scheme.
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It's a government run Ponzi scheme. BINGO!!!
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What does FICA mean? Federal Insurance Contribution Act.
An insurance policy is not an entitlement. An Insurance policy is a contract.
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Promise and then follow thru...America...Amererericaaa!
SS is just like the treaties to tribes...it must be paid. Whether or not you and your kids like it.
It is not an entitlement, it is a Promise.
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Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
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It's a government run Ponzi scheme. BINGO!!! +1
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I also firmly believe you should only be eligible for the time you actually put into it, if you became a citizen at 5 years from retirement, and you have been contributing for 7 years, you get that percentage, you WILL not get the same about as the person who has busted his ass for 45-50 years. Congress, the president and Supreme Court should all be on Social Security also! What is good enough for us, had damned sure better be good enough for them!
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Well, it's certainly not an investment.
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It's a government run Ponzi scheme. BINGO!!! +1 +2
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Most people use up everything they paid in, within just a few years. Many draw that didn't work their required 40 quarters and some draw that never paid a penny.
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Some of the politicians complain that we draw out more than we put into it. Hell yes! It's called interest on your investment!
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SOME of it became an entitlement when SSI was allowed for those that NEVER paid in though, STEALING MY money for leeches!
Yep
That which does not kill us makes us stronger
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Most people use up everything they paid in, within just a few years. Many draw that didn't work their required 40 quarters and some draw that never paid a penny. I know a number of worthless people that are on SSI that could work if they wanted to. Funny how a guy with a bad back can still hunt.
οΏ½Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program." -- Milton Friedman
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an opt out would be wonderful.
I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
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Started paying into it when I was 14 years old, sitting bowling pins at a bowling alley, started drawing it in my 60's.
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I don't really know why I engage but here goes...
When SS was instituted there was a trust fund (I can't be the only one who views the phrase gov't trust fund with suspision and utter contempt for those who fell for it??) into which our "deposits" were to be remain until we withdrew them in retirement. The life expectancy of retirees was significantly lower, retirement age higher, and this was meant as bare bones income to avoid poverty.
The best thing we could all do is stop associating the words "Gov't" and "entitlement" together. The only way that they relate has to do with the Gov't entitlement to our money, NOT vice-versa. Once our population gets that through our heads we'll be on the right path (read: NEVER).
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So should medicare and all the other ideas that congress & all come up with for the masses. What is good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander. Thus ALL should be in it together, no exception or an exsallted class. Just my $.02 worth. Cheers NC
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