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Prior to 2000 all my hunting was done with Remington 700's and a McMillan Talon, which is basically a 700 receiver with a model 70 bolt. After 2000 I switched to Winchester classic model 70's and have been using them ever since.
Recently my dad dropped of 10 guns to sell for him along with my old Remington 700 classic in 7mm Weatherby. The guns were a mixture of Remington 700's an Ruger 77's.
Couple of thoughts on handling and comparing them side by side.
The Rugers are cheap looking, rough cycling, heavy and balance poorly. The Remingtons with high gloss blueing are very smooth and balance much better than either a Winchester or a Ruger.
Despite being a Winchester guy those 700's sure do feel good in the hands.
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I have bought too many rifles over the years  . Ranging from $$$ Euro to what you mention. IMO all have there attributes & they are only better than each other according to ones circumstances, & your ideal rifle at the time/lust. I like em all!
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Well said, 340. I like a good CRF for dangerous game hunting or big money hunts but have owned and used many brands and types with good results over the decades. Likes and Lusts DO change, don't they!
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Prior to 2000 all my hunting was done with Remington 700's and a McMillan Talon, which is basically a 700 receiver with a model 70 bolt. After 2000 I switched to Winchester classic model 70's and have been using them ever since.
Recently my dad dropped of 10 guns to sell for him along with my old Remington 700 classic in 7mm Weatherby. The guns were a mixture of Remington 700's an Ruger 77's.
Couple of thoughts on handling and comparing them side by side.
The Rugers are cheap looking, rough cycling, heavy and balance poorly. The Remingtons with high gloss blueing are very smooth and balance much better than either a Winchester or a Ruger.
Despite being a Winchester guy those 700's sure do feel good in the hands. ..............And how old were those Rugers?? Big differences between the older Rugers vs the newer ones.
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My most recent Ruger purchase was a used #1. The scope base was tapped off center. I found that to be a very careless mistake.
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A push feed rifle action will ALWAYS be smoother than a controlled round feed. Remington finish has changed pretty much as well. All manufacturers have made changes trying to respond to perceived demands of their consumers. Obviously those whims change with time, and even with the changes certainly many people aren't happy. When Ruger came out with the Skeleton stock people complained fiercely. Now they are in demand. When they came out with the stainless Mk II people complained about how bright they were. They dulled the finish and people complain about that as well. Everything changes with time.
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Current production quality...
1. Winchester
2. Ruger
3. Remington--and I consider Remington distant last.
This ranking was different in the early/mid 90's, but things have changed significantly!
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The Remingtons will be the most accurate.
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Prior to 2000 all my hunting was done with Remington 700's and a McMillan Talon, which is basically a 700 receiver with a model 70 bolt. After 2000 I switched to Winchester classic model 70's and have been using them ever since.
Recently my dad dropped of 10 guns to sell for him along with my old Remington 700 classic in 7mm Weatherby. The guns were a mixture of Remington 700's an Ruger 77's.
Couple of thoughts on handling and comparing them side by side.
The Rugers are cheap looking, rough cycling, heavy and balance poorly. The Remingtons with high gloss blueing are very smooth and balance much better than either a Winchester or a Ruger.
Despite being a Winchester guy those 700's sure do feel good in the hands. ..............And how old were those Rugers?? Big differences between the older Rugers vs the newer ones. One is a tang safety 77 and they other is a SS mark 11
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Current production quality...
1. Winchester
2. Ruger
3. Remington--and I consider Remington distant last.
This ranking was different in the early/mid 90's, but things have changed significantly! Unless ruger has really started to finish/polish the bolt races I cant see it. And worse than the roughness is the fact that the action is so heavy they balance poorly.
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Can't speak to recent Remingtons but I've heard their quality has gone down since Cerebrus took over.
The new Winchester (FN) is a great rifle. Fit and finish is much better than my Ruger Hawkeye. It is worth mentioning that the Hawkeye was $175 cheaper.
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I'm talking about overall fit, finish and function. I've owned more than three of each in the past 24 months. Actually, I've owned 4 700's in that time frame. 3 of the 4 had issues. 2 of the 4 had multiple trips for factory repairs. I bought a new follower and spring for the third one and fixed it myself.
All the 700's eventually shot well, but not noticeably better than the Rugers or Winchesters. The other brands didn't need factory repairs or different parts to function properly... And the 700 bolt pales in smoothness to the new FN70's.
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"Unless ruger has really started to finish/polish the bolt races I cant see it. And worse than the roughness is the fact that the action is so heavy they balance poorly."
I agree - I keep reading glowing reports about the Hawkeye and I handle one and any lust for it goes away immediately. The bolt operation is rougher than other maker and the balance is non-existent. In general they just feel rough and clunky.
The FN Winchesters are top drawer for finish and operation, the Featherweights in particular balance well. Remington 700's are hit or miss anymore in all aspects.
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Unless ruger has really started to finish/polish the bolt races I cant see it. And worse than the roughness is the fact that the action is so heavy they balance poorly. You obviously haven't spent any time hunting with a Ruger 77. THEN you might know what you're talking about.
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The Rugers are cheap looking, rough cycling, heavy and balance poorly. Man, you ain't shootin' the same Rugers I am. Have you ever owned or fired a Ruger, really?
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Can't speak to recent Remingtons but I've heard their quality has gone down since Cerebrus took over.
The new Winchester (FN) is a great rifle. Fit and finish is much better than my Ruger Hawkeye. It is worth mentioning that the Hawkeye was $175 cheaper. That may be. These guns are "A" and "c" prefix guns, which I understand were made better than latter ones.
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Unless ruger has really started to finish/polish the bolt races I cant see it. And worse than the roughness is the fact that the action is so heavy they balance poorly. You obviously haven't spent any time hunting with a Ruger 77. THEN you might know what you're talking about. I dont need to hunt with one to know that the feel/look crude and balance like chit.
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The Rugers are cheap looking, rough cycling, heavy and balance poorly. Man, you ain't shootin' the same Rugers I am. Have you ever owned or fired a Ruger, really? I have. I shot some deer back in the early nineties with a boat paddle .243. And I have two right now on the for sale forum that I am trying to get rid of for my dad. And besides one doesnt have to shoot or hunt with a gun to determine that it balances poorly and is rough cycling. Handling it for a few minutes will suffice. Sort of like its not a requirement to step in a pile of dog chit to know it will make a stinky mess of your boot..
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And I am sure a Ruger action will last damn near forever and function without issue in the field. So will a 1917 enfield, or a anvil......
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Can't speak to recent Remingtons but I've heard their quality has gone down since Cerebrus took over.
The new Winchester (FN) is a great rifle. Fit and finish is much better than my Ruger Hawkeye. It is worth mentioning that the Hawkeye was $175 cheaper. That may be. These guns are "A" and "c" prefix guns, which I understand were made better than latter ones. Are you saying that the new FN made Model 70's with an "A" or "C" prefix are better than current production?
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