Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Ruger vs. Remington vs. Winchester

Bolts are easily smoothed less a single shot. Such wares have zero qualm functioning perfectly in all environments.

I still don't see how Ruger's extra 2oz of weight in their actions make them heavy and unbalance especially considering that in other rifles that 2oz is easily added back onto their action via the need for rings bases?

Now, the rough action, I can see as a legitimate complaint about not like rugers. Same with prefering the three-way safety of thw Win M70 over the Ruger. That too is legitimate reason for not perefering the ruger.

For example, just because I don't prefer some CZ's because of their backwards safety and extended magazine, doesn't take away from the them being a good rifle.

I would submit that a Remington with an alloy shroud,titanium pin,alloy TG and alloy ring/bases will very much allow a Ruger to tilt the table.

yes, i'm sure those after market alloys will definitely lighten up the remington action. Any idea as to how much weight it saves?

Enough to kill Bill Ruger.

think he's already dead thinking those alloys would save about 6oz or so?

That was the point,the titanium did him in. 6 ounces is easily arranged.

Yes, I can lose 6 to 8 oz off my ruger action as well if I chose to throw enough money at it, but that isn't the point or topic of the original post.

Rugers are good actions. Lighter than Win, heavier than Rem. Yes, not as smooth as Winchester's action but hell of alot cheaper than winchester too!

Think all three rifles of this original post have its good and bad points and will need some type of TLC in one way or another.

Just pick which one has the most features that you want and go from there.

You change your tune nicely.

Interesting thread.
For my .02
Mauser 98
In lieu thereof the Ruger is the closest rendition of a double square bride extant. No 6-48 screws to strip. New Haweyes come with steel bottom metal, Remingtons still use cheesy aluminum (ditto A -Bolts). I kinda like their rendition of the three position safety. Nice simple (LC6) trigger. Very secure, easy to operate floorplate release. CRF...
That being said, I have really liked every 70; 77 and 700 I've owned. So, when I can't decide which one to take hunting....i just grab a #1......or was it a High Wall??? I'm so confused....

Hang 2oz of lead on the end of your barrel and get back with me on what it does to rifle balance.

I've never seen a picture of a Ruger bolt separated from its handle or heard of a Ruger needing an ejector spring, breaking an extractor or breaking a trigger or trigger guard or going "Bang" when the safety was released.

I might consider a FN Winnie but when laying down hard earned cash if is usually for a Ruger.

My most accurate rifle is a model 700 30-06. And yes, its action is very smooth and the trigger is near perfect for me.

But the two way safety that doesn't lock the bolt is the one thing I hate. When I carry it through brush on a sling I'm always having to check to see if the bolt has opened - it happens. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that drawback.

Very wise decision my friend. I've got Ruger m77 MKII's and hawkeyes that work just as well and are just as accurate as my Winchester model 70's. During elk season the winchesters stay home and the ruger m77 mkII 338 win mag goes out to do the dirty work. You also forgot about the timing problems you hear about with the winchester model 70's. I've only seen/had one that had that problem but I never knew about it until I had a winchester model 70 (trust me it wasn't my pre 64's either) or the so called problematic newhaven built ones (I got lucky with my newhaven because it is just about flawless). Hell, the old m1917 enfields always fed like a fat girl at a hot dog eating contest. Anyways, just sayin...............

Have had MK2 extractors puke and broken MK1 TG's. All adjustable triggers can be made to fail by the clueless.

That's odd, never knew they made a mkI.

The list of things you don't know,wouldn't have fit in noah's ark. Mk1's were both round and fitted for Bill rings,the TG's of the lot of poor design and material,routinely breaking amidship at their juncture.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "timing problem" with a bolt rifle? (referred to BSA1917hunter above)

I've had both a New Haven and SC Model 70. The New Haven had a quirk I could never cure, which was that the trigger pull was 1.5 to 2# heavier when the safety had been set. So the first shot trigger pull was heavy, and a quick second shot trigger pull was light. A couple of smiths looked at it and couldn't solve it. Otherwise it was a nice rifle, though some of the hand filing on the bolt head was just embarrassing.

The SC had a slightly warped barrel channel in the stock, which caused it to be erratic since sometimes it had barrel contact on one side. The stock probably didn't like the move to a very dry climate. That was easily fixed, the barrel floats now, and it shoots very well. It's my favorite gun in the field. The trigger took some work to get to or below 3#, and it's not as consistent as a Jewell, but plenty good enough. Unfortunately, none of the aftermarket trigger makers plan to offer an alternative, at least that I have heard of. Too bad. Overall the fit and function of the SC are exceptional, and it doesn't copper foul much and cleans up easily. Compared to my 700, the Model 70 is better to carry in the field. I hike in rough country, and I often find myself checking the bolt and safety on the 700, finding the safety has managed to get turned off or the bolt handle partly lifted. The Model 70 safety and bolt lock seems better for back country hunting on foot. I also like the M70 ejection system better than the Remington. I have seen the ejector stick on a Model 700 in cold weather, producing a jam. Bad news.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "timing problem" with a bolt rifle? (referred to BSA1917hunter above)

I've had both a New Haven and SC Model 70. The New Haven had a quirk I could never cure, which was that the trigger pull was 1.5 to 2# heavier when the safety had been set. So the first shot trigger pull was heavy, and a quick second shot trigger pull was light. A couple of smiths looked at it and couldn't solve it. Otherwise it was a nice rifle, though some of the hand filing on the bolt head was just embarrassing.

The SC had a slightly warped barrel channel in the stock, which caused it to be erratic since sometimes it had barrel contact on one side. The stock probably didn't like the move to a very dry climate. That was easily fixed, the barrel floats now, and it shoots very well. It's my favorite gun in the field. The trigger took some work to get to or below 3#, and it's not as consistent as a Jewell, but plenty good enough. Unfortunately, none of the aftermarket trigger makers plan to offer an alternative, at least that I have heard of. Too bad. Overall the fit and function of the SC are exceptional, and it doesn't copper foul much and cleans up easily. Compared to my 700, the Model 70 is better to carry in the field. I hike in rough country, and I often find myself checking the bolt and safety on the 700, finding the safety has managed to get turned off or the bolt handle partly lifted. The Model 70 safety and bolt lock seems better for back country hunting on foot. I also like the M70 ejection system better than the Remington. I have seen the ejector stick on a Model 700 in cold weather, producing a jam. Bad news. The Remington is lighter than the M70, probably because of the extra weight of the flat receiver on the M70.

They never made a mk1 rifle you [bleep] dipchit. What you may be refering to is the Ruger model 77R and the plain old round top magnum. Seems your ark has sailed and the fishin isn't too good anymore is it? Go fishin somewhere else bushler. Doesn't that sound like bullchitter?