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Talk me out of the new Savage Bear Hunter.
I've never had a savage as I've always been kind of a gun snob, but this one has got me thinking hard about it.
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The only thing I can tell you if you want talking out of something about the savage and 338 win mag is it is going to kick the hell out of you. I've shot them in 300 win mag and boy was that thing a kicker. I don't know if the bear hunter has the accustock or a thick recoil pad but something you are going to have to consider. I run a Ruger M77 MKII and it is a puzzy cat to shoot (I know some guys say the rugers kick too but from my experience the savages are heavy kickers). The muzzle brake may help with this but then you have to consider the extra noise. I really like the looks of the bear hunter and I'm sure it's going to be accurate if you can handle it. The 338 is IMHO one of the best Elk cartridges out there (If you can handle it accordingly). I've never had a bad shooting 338 win mag though. Just sayin.....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I have never been a magnum head, but several guys I know love
them. Most of them tell me that the recoil of a 338WM is more
tolerable than a 300 Win or Wby. Most of these guys own older
Ruger M77s.
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I have never been a magnum head, but several guys I know love
them. Most of them tell me that the recoil of a 338WM is more
tolerable than a 300 Win or Wby. Most of these guys own older
Ruger M77s. I hear that a lot too. I've had both and they are so damn comparable it isn't even funny. I generally shoot 200's out of the 300 win mag and 250's out of the 338 though.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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What is neat about the Bear Hunter is that it has the brake on it that can be twisted on and off, and it has a pretty substantial recoil pad on it.
Savage for $750.... Or stiller, benchmark, macmillan $$$$$......
Savage = immediately ..... Stiller, Benchmark, Macmillan = 12-18 months....
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Once I think about it, I dont see many Remington M700s in
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I bet if you bought it and didn't like it, you'd have a hell of a time selling it...
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Ruger, Remington, and Winchester all catalog 338's without muzzle brakes. One of these 3 would be my choice.
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Tikka T-3 Lite SS. It Is a great shooting gun and a joy to carry.
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I have a Rem700 XCR in .338. One of the best rifles I own; shoots lights-out. Maybe it's the flexy plastic stock and/or the Limbsaver but I find the recoil to be entirely manageable.
I *think* they are 24" now. Mine was 26", which is absurd for a .338. 22"-23" is about right IMHO. 24" would be tolerable.
The XCR coating really works, at least the older yellowish version.
The CENTER will hold.
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Look here in the classifieds #5569325 - 08/29/11 05:39 PM Ruger SS lam77/22mag, Ruger 77 SS boat paddle 338, Remington LSS 7 rem mag
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Not trying to hijack this thread but I handled a Tikka T3 Lite
in 30-06 yesterday and was very impressed how light it was.
Almost like a Remington 700 TI.
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Plastic tends to make things light..
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I think you should have what you want. I don't have any experience with the Savage you mentioned. I have had a couple of .338's in the past and recently acquired another, only one of them however, left a lasting impression on me(insert to read;scope crescent) on my right eyebrow 25 or more years ago when I shot an Elk that was uphill of me and I had crawled up the stock to much on a #1 Ruger that was wearing a scope with hardly any eye relief. My Pre 64 with a 4x Leupy was another story, though I found it much more enjoyable to shoot,after awhile the erectors in my scope didn't BTW, Leupy's warranty can't be beat when shooting rifles that can be scope killers. Barring the incident I related above, I haven't found them to be unpleasant. My shoulder equates the recoil to somewhere between a real warmly loaded 300HH and 220's, and a stiffly loaded 35 Whelen squirting 250's with an attitude. I wouldn't care to have one in a featherweight or lightweight configuration. This might be heresy to some in the featherweight club but, between 8-9 lbs all up, stuffed with cartridges I think is a better choice, JMHO
Your shoulder may vary,
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I think you should have what you want. I don't have any experience with the Savage you mentioned. I have had a couple of .338's in the past and recently acquired another, only one of them however, left a lasting impression on me(insert to read;scope crescent) on my right eyebrow 25 or more years ago when I shot an Elk that was uphill of me and I had crawled up the stock to much on a #1 Ruger that was wearing a scope with hardly any eye relief. My Pre 64 with a 4x Leupy was another story, though I found it much more enjoyable to shoot,after awhile the erectors in my scope didn't BTW, Leupy's warranty can't be beat when shooting rifles that can be scope killers. Barring the incident I related above, I haven't found them to be unpleasant. My shoulder equates the recoil to somewhere between a real warmly loaded 300HH and 220's, and a stiffly loaded 35 Whelen squirting 250's with an attitude. I wouldn't care to have one in a featherweight or lightweight configuration. This might be heresy to some in the featherweight club but, between 8-9 lbs all up, stuffed with cartridges I think is a better choice, JMHO
Your shoulder may vary,
BD Very well said BD. My 338 win mag is 9 pounds and it isn't bad to shoot. I wouldn't want it any lighter.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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My 338 RUM is 8.5lbs, scoped. It's one hell of a hunting rifle, and I've taken 3 animals this year with it. I'd not be scared of a lightweight 338 win.
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My Model 70 338 WM with a Brown Precision stock, a barrel shortened to 22 inches, and a Leup 2.5 x 8 weighs 7 lbs, 13 oz, unloaded with no sling. It does have a Decelerator pad. It's not much fun from the bench, trigger guard hits my finger, but it's managable and has been a lucky rifle in the field. Just use a scope with enough eye relief and maybe mount it a bit forward.
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My Model 70 338 WM with a Brown Precision stock, a barrel shortened to 22 inches, and a Leup 2.5 x 8 weighs 7 lbs, 13 oz, unloaded with no sling. It does have a Decelerator pad. It's not much fun from the bench, trigger guard hits my finger, but it's managable and has been a lucky rifle in the field. Just use a scope with enough eye relief and maybe mount it a bit forward. Now that is a great rig, for me I see absolutely no need to have a 338 in anything over 8 lbs. You have a pic of that bad boy? Dober
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No picture but you wouldn't want to see it anyway till I get some more Krylon on the stock. Did you know that the color of the substance of the Brown stock is kind of cream colored when a gouge digs about 3 or 4 mm deep into the forend? Metal's OK though, and that's after quite a few trips to AK. It's been wet but well cared for. Lots of memories with that rifle. Won't ever part with it.
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My Model 70 338 WM with a Brown Precision stock, a barrel shortened to 22 inches, and a Leup 2.5 x 8 weighs 7 lbs, 13 oz, unloaded with no sling. It does have a Decelerator pad. It's not much fun from the bench, trigger guard hits my finger, but it's managable and has been a lucky rifle in the field. Just use a scope with enough eye relief and maybe mount it a bit forward. Now that is a great rig, for me I see absolutely no need to have a 338 in anything over 8 lbs. You have a pic of that bad boy? Dober Back in the 80's when we were 338-Hooppee,friends and I built 4-5 338's,and the recipe was really simple....a pre 64 or Rem 700 action,23" Krieger barrel and Brown Precision stocks(also a McMillan in there as well).These all came in about 8-8.25 pounds with mounts and 4X Leupolds. They were surprisingly easy to shoot considering the horsepower,and very accurate,too, with mostly 210 or 225 gr bullets....250's had a higher "crunch" factor on the recoil end. An 8 pound 338 is a good thing and pretty manageable.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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