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That makes him a bad gunsmith.

Not to mention practically the entire African Professional Hunter community who like Phil have to deal with dangerous game for a living. jorge

Well there you have it! Bob Hart, ak Robert W Hart & Son, builder of countless competition winning custom rifles and one of the premier gunsmiths in this country, if not the world, is a bad gunsmith and obviously knows nothing of Sako extractor modifications, of which he has done thousands. Folks - You heard it here first!! Swampy has spoken!

Swampy has been brain washed!

Swampy did you know driving a car can be dangerous?

Just like I posted earlier, nobody gonna change their mind. You might as well close the thread as the post get more ridiculous.
Butch

I thought most of those guys carried double rifles.

They sure don't RD. In fact they are in the minority and a few carry PF bolts, just not 700s, at least I've never seen or heard of one that does but I'm sure there are. Anyhow, that article is a pretty good read.

There are guys who shoot Model 700's at the National Championships at Camp Perry Ohio. There is a lot at stake there
(not your life obviously) and they wouldn't shot them unless they were confident that they would function properly in the rapid fire stages.
whelennut

I wouldn't doubt that the original owner tried to make a 223 out of the 221 Fire Ball and had a overload event that damaged the extractor. Upon learning the 221 FB wasn't a 223 he tripped the rifle.

Being second hand you never know.

Could of been defective from the factory. Not an issue I've heard of from 221 FB owners or the one I have.

Jorge,

I've known at least three African PH's who carry PF rifles: Finn Aagaard (PF M70 .458, one of his two four-five-eights), Ross Seyfried (700 .416 Remington), and another guy none of you have ever hard of who used a Weatherby Mark V .378 in Tanzania.

That said, most of the PH's I know won't even use a 700 for plains game, mostly because Remington has never tried very hard to sell them over there--and they would be very expensive. Most of the South African PH's I know buy used rifles, because that's what they can afford.

Double rifles are becoming fairly common again, partly because some clients will give one away as a tip for a big-dollar dangerous game hunt. I know one Zim PH who has TWO .470 NE doubles, and that's how he got both of 'em.

John Sharp, the PH I hunt with carries a PF Mod 70 and a Rigby Double 470. A few others I know also carry 460 Weatherbys. Still, the article I quoted written by Don Heath is pretty much the conventinal wisdom of the PH community as a whole.

your an idiot azzhole

FVA, no doubt, hard to say, could not tell anything damaged, but suffice to say, the rifle was not made in the factory for 221, so not sure if there are any changes for a FB vs. 223 re: extractor specs.

Re: M70 PFs - never had a bobble out of the 2 7/08s I ran, nor a CRF ss/fwt in 6.5x55. Did have a Coyote in 223 that shot horrible - 2-3moa, had defective lands 'chatter marks or something' about 3" from muzzle and I elected to trade it off in lieu of waiting for Win to fix it.

I guess my patience has grown thin w/rifles that are not built/finished properly, don't shoot reliably and accurately from the factory, no matter brand name.

There is one sure way to cause a CRF Mauser to fail.

Have someone come up while you are shooting and want to try your rifle. Hand him the rifle and a cartridge, and this person, used to PF rifles, drops the cartridge into the chamber and attemps to close the bolt, all the while you are yelling, 'don't do that, don't do that.'

Your M98 is locked up but good. Ever try to find a perfectly straight stick in 7 MM caliber?

Could a mistake like this be blamed on PF, because the shooter, having only used PF rifles, did not know about CRF?

In two military K-98�s my father brought back from Germany after WWII the follower blocked the bolt from moving forward. I always thought that was a neat idea � it told you very tacitly that your magazine was empty and it almost forced you to load a round(s) into the magazine to feed them. Not that you couldn�t stick a cartridge halfway in the chamber and use your thumb to push the follower down and override this feature if you were deliberately trying to jam it, but it was just one more feature that shows how Herr Mauser�s child was designed as a completely integrated system.

With a jam such as you are describing, squeezing the spring part of the extractor against the bolt body with the off hand and closing the bolt with the other hand will allow the claw to snap over the rim on some Mausers. Works on all of my Mausers but I suspect that there are some that this technique will not work.

A few people remember using a nickel in a 1917 and also sometimes pushing the back of a Mauser style extractor behind the retainer to spring it over a cartridge rim. There are enough Mauser style extractors that will spring to encourage what are perhaps bad habits.

I have no issues with a tested and examined Remington but I do very much suspect the Remington would be more vulnerable to snow and ice in the action than a Mauser?

Yup. The snap over trick works well.

You can also push in on the extractor after firing and pull the bolt back leaving the fired round in the chamber. This causes a nice jam in a hunting situation when you are more concerned about saving your precious Lapua 9.3X62 brass (and adrenaline has caused superhuman strength and five thumbs on each hand) than ensuring the second round chambers! Luckily a follow-up wasn't needed

I am convinced "Mr." Murphy is actually a an old maid and goes by Ms.

You can also press on the front end of a Mauser extractor to get a stuck case out of the chamber. (Of course, this means that sometimes empty cases stick in Mauser chambers--which has been known to happen.)

I bevel the front edge of all my Mauser extractors so they'll hop over the cartridge rim, just like in the Model 70 Winchester, allowing a cartridge to be loaded into the chamber without having to push it down into the magazine.

It sounds like the rifle caught something like "buck fever" in the presence of dangerous game, it functioned OK before and after the encounter, amazing things can happen.