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Fotis, That was last week. Haven't you been to the store since? John
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Paper Ballistics - .416 Remington
Real World performance - .458 Winchester.
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I'm about to rechamber a 1H 375H&H barrel to 375RUM and place it on my No1 in 450/400NE ... just in case I've missed something not having owned a fast 375.  But if it came to only one ... a sporter weight 458WinMag is damn versatile. Cheers... Con
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458 W Mag, download for deer, elk, black bear etc, full loads for all others.
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Fotis, That was last week. Haven't you been to the store since? John Still got it and my 416 Bee.... 
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If I had to hunt everything from deer to Elephant, I would probably go with my .375 Wby DGR. ![[Linked Image]](http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/MarineHawk/AK-2010/AK18.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/MarineHawk/AK-2010/AK16.jpg) That was done with a 300gr NP, but if I had to be able to stop elephants, but also shoot deer, I hear the following loading is possible from my 375 Wby: 350 GRAIN TSX (B.C. 0.425; 222 yd zero) Yds / Vel. / Impact / KE / Drift 000 / 2550 / -1.75 / 5054 / 0.00 050 / 2444 / 1.34 / 4642 / 0.65 100 / 2344 / 2.97 / 4270 / 1.30 150 / 2248 / 3.01 / 3928 / 2.41 200 / 2153 / 1.32 / 3603 / 4.01 250 / 2060 / -2.24 / 3298 / 6.12 300 / 1970 / -7.86 / 3016 / 8.77 350 / 1883 / -15.73 / 2756 / 12.02 Should hit hard--near or far.
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Just a general comment:
A .458 is not "just" a stopping rifle. That is a nonsence argument decads old from people who haev littel or no experiecne with them/
With todays bullets, a Barnes X from 300 or 350 grains can take very easily, any non dangerous game at the usual hunting ranges without bring up extreme ridge to ridge situations which are rare or never going to occur for most hunters.
The .400's from Woodleigh or Swift will comfortably take dangerous thin skinned game like lion, brown bear and be possibly more than necessary for the smaller dangerous cats.
Once you get to the 450 grain TSX, you move into a multi-purpose bullet that will take anything in a pinch and remember that "in a pinch" means you really do know what else is in the area and you already prepared for that before you left home. so BS scenarios carry no real weight.
If you want to stop a charge, well, there are possibly only 3 or 4 animals that coem to mind and in every case you will be backed up by a professional hunter suitably equipped so you role will be token, in 99.9% of cases. That same .458 is quite impressive with 550gn Woodleighs in soft or solid and you can also choose the 450 grain solids if you have a velocity fetish.
The .375 has one virtue none can compete with. The recoil level is manageable by the far majority of experienced hunters which means that shot placement can be best managed. Shot placement kills animals with adequate bullets. Everything a .375 user would normally choose, is an adequate bullet.
In the end, I think you should choose a rifle you like as you will shoot it a lot better and never buy a new rifle for dangerous game hunting. It should already be in you rack and be very familiar to you.
John
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The 416s and the 458s are better cartridges. Fixed it for you. If the criteria is "all across the world" then I believe that the nod must go to the 416. Sure a 458 might be a hair better, but the 416 is more versatile in general hunting situations. Sure, a 10 or 11 lb 416 Rigby might be heavy to carry up a sheep mountain, but 400 grainers shoot flat enough to get the job done at any sensible range.
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I have known men I would rather shoot than the worst of dogs."
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The 416s and the 458s are better cartridges. Fixed it for you. If the criteria is "all across the world" then I believe that the nod must go to the 416. Sure a 458 might be a hair better, but the 416 is more versatile in general hunting situations. Sure, a 10 or 11 lb 416 Rigby might be heavy to carry up a sheep mountain, but 400 grainers shoot flat enough to get the job done at any sensible range. I thought this was the reason they built the 375 H&H???
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The 416s and the 458s are better cartridges. Fixed it for you. If the criteria is "all across the world" then I believe that the nod must go to the 416. Sure a 458 might be a hair better, but the 416 is more versatile in general hunting situations. Sure, a 10 or 11 lb 416 Rigby might be heavy to carry up a sheep mountain, but 400 grainers shoot flat enough to get the job done at any sensible range. I thought this was the reason they built the 375 H&H??? Exactly why I bought my Rem XCR II in 375 H&H, weighs 6 1/2 lbs without scope, sling or ammo. I have a 500 for the big stuff ...
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Chuck
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My Pre 64 M70 in 9.3x62 with 250 Accubonds. Shoots nearly flat as a 180 gr 30-06 out to 600 yds. This cartridge will cover the World.
Alan
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I'd be happy with a 30-06 for pretty much anything. Lots of ammo types available, I don't like long-range hunting. IF I had a DG situation then I would use a semi-auto like a Remington 750 (I have one). I don't think Hemingway knew what he was talking about when he described a cape buff ignoring a 220 grain in the boss point blank.
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375 HH is by far the most logical choice. Just admit it. It has proven itself more than just about any cartrige in the world and ammo is available the world over. As mentioned...managable recoil and to top everything it is just a cool old cartridge that has never really gotten old. YMMV
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