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no, I don't think he would
see, I don't agree with Herman Cain, Perry or Romney
but I don't get up everyday with a zeal to marginalize them or their supporters. I'm not inclined to write long diatribes about their supporters as fringe or harmful to America.
To have that kind of passion - day in and day out - there is something else going on.
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
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I'm not sure what part of Ron Paul's platform personally effects you
he'd be out of a job in a second were RP to get in as Prez along with 95% of his 2 bit ambulance chasers
Feel the Bern in your wallet.
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He would vote for him if RP were the Republican candidate, because that'd make him ok by definition. Steve is a Party Boy. No, I'd vote for him because the alternative would be Obama, which would be worse. What the Paul children can't seem to grasp is that elections are a choice between real world alternatives, not a chance to project your dreams. You are presumed to intend the certain results of your actions....you vote third party knowing it will elect Obama, you intended to elect Obama. That simple. I don't think you've heard any of the Paul bashers say they wouldn't vote for him over Obama. That's the difference....Paulies are cry babies who put their hero above everything. Even preventing four more years of a communist president.
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I'm not sure what part of Ron Paul's platform personally effects you
he'd be out of a job in a second were RP to get in as Prez along with 95% of his 2 bit ambulance chasers DING, DING, DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!
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explain how Ron Paul's miraculous election would affect the law business. what would he do, assuming he suddenly learned how to get a law enacted?
guys whose only contact with a lawyer was with their public defender don't really understand much about what business lawyers do. but I can assure you it does not involve ambulances, or their contents.
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And me and a Dead Cat just sit here grinning. 
BAN THE RAINBOW FLAG!
PERVERTS OFFEND ME!
"When is penguin season, daddy? I wanna go kill a penguin!"
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racist and antisemitic?
that's quite a range of issues. You'd think the people that have voted him in multiple times would have caught on to it at some point. Maybe his constituents agree. Bet I could find a whole buch of folks here who beleive the Protocols too Wildhowmanyvotersinhisdistrict50Alaska ��2002-2011
Es ist nichts schrecklicher als eine t�tige Unwissenheit.
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racist and antisemitic?
that's quite a range of issues. You'd think the people that have voted him in multiple times would have caught on to it at some point. Bwahahahahaha! You'll have to forgive WildAlaska. He's not quite right. Spoken like a true Paulbot. rather than refute with facts (which he cant) he hurls invective. Soi lets talk about Herr Dr. Paul and Mr. Black.......LOL WildwatchthesilenceAlaska ��2002-2011
Es ist nichts schrecklicher als eine t�tige Unwissenheit.
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racist and antisemitic?
that's quite a range of issues. You'd think the people that have voted him in multiple times would have caught on to it at some point. Bwahahahahaha! You'll have to forgive WildAlaska. He's not quite right. Spoken like a true Paulbot. rather than refute with facts (which he cant) he hurls invective. So lets talk about Herr Dr. Paul and Mr. Black.......LOL WildwatchthesilenceAlaska ��2002-2011
Es ist nichts schrecklicher als eine t�tige Unwissenheit.
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Yeah you're right, so I suppose we should all just lube up, bend over and vote for Romney or Perry (not that there is that much difference)...  Not to state the obvious, but you're not going to find anybody on this board more anti-Romney than I am. Perry and Cain.....meh. None of the "R" ticket does anything for me. Hey, I'm glad you found a savior in Ron Paul. I'm not buying it...... George ETA: For the record, if Paul does manage to get the ticket I'll be happy to throw my vote his way. I doubt it, but I'll smile if it happens.
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Not to state the obvious, but you're not going to find anybody on this board more anti-Romney than I am. Every Ron Paul supporter here is more 'anti-Romney' than you are.
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Conservatives-above all- demand something that WORKS. Huh? Conservatives- above all- and this is Big C Conservative not little c conservatives who are (merely) relatively conservative compared to communist Liberals... require principle. Conservatism is a set of principles grounded in the Constitution. Whether they're viewed as pragmatic or not, it is what it is. You're not a Conservative, you're a conservative. Ron Paul is a totally ineffective voice in the wilderness.
I'd rather vote for an ineffective but true voice than an effective but untrue voice. You'll get the latter in Obama, Romney & Perry, the latter two merely slowing the train while it heads off the socialist cliff. But I suppose socialism works, eh? Slowing the train at this point equates to meaningless window dressing that may be pragmatic from your conservative point of view, but doesn't amount to a hill of beans from a truly paleo-Conservative point of view. Personally I could hold my nose tight enough for vote against Obama by pulling the lever for Cain... I didn't describe myself as a "conservative".I'm ME.I'm an Independent voter.I only used the word"conservative" one time and I use Capital letters to start a sentence.For instance: Idiot. See how it works? If I was going to address you,that's how I would start my sentence. I think Perry can win the nomination and defeat Obama , so I add my voice to other voices that support Perry. If I'm wrong,I'll add my voice to those supporting the "R" nominee,whoever he is.[won't be a "she" for damn sure] Sarah Palin's VOICE has been effective in getting some good folks elected to Congress.She "wasted" her VOICE on a couple of candidates which conventional wisdom said were un-electable and conventional wisdom was right.It's sometimes wrong , but if it was OFTEN wrong,we wouldn't call it "conventional" , now would we? Ron Paul is not unelectable because Steve No claims he is.Voters in Primary elections have overwhelmingly declared him "unelectable",year after year after year. There is no appeal from that judgement.It is the Supreme Court of politics.
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Not to state the obvious, but you're not going to find anybody on this board more anti-Romney than I am. Every Ron Paul supporter here is more 'anti-Romney' than you are. But here's the rub: Y'all are MORE pro Paul than you are anti Romney.That's what makes y'all so "special" here at the 'fire.
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Name calling. I love it.
Independent. Ha. That is a good one. That is an intellectually lazy way of avoiding the inconvience of intellectual dishonesty, but continue on, sir.
You either hold Liberal presuppositions or Conservative. Liberals favor big gov't, Conservatives favor individual choice without gov't interfernce.
That doesn't make you an idiot, just... well... as you say, special.
I know, pearls to swine...
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Not to state the obvious, but you're not going to find anybody on this board more anti-Romney than I am. Every Ron Paul supporter here is more 'anti-Romney' than you are. But here's the rub: Y'all are MORE pro Paul than you are anti Romney.That's what makes y'all so "special" here at the 'fire. We're more pro-Conservative, the unfortunate part is that Dr. Paul has been the only voice reliably and consistently giving voice to those principles. If the Party would give me a solid Conservative other than Dr. Paul, I'd support him just as vehemently as I support RP. You guys continually suggest this is a personality contest and it isn't. Dr. Paul wouldn't win one of those, and I doubt anyone disputes that. It is a war of ideas, and RP has those that best represent a paleo-Con position. Get a guy who does that AND can win a personality contest and you're on the road to defeating Obama. But Ryan and the jr. Paul aren't running... This gets back to the previous exchange you and I had. To be vehement you have to be intellectually honest enough to ascribe an ideology; if you're not, you can jelly-fish your way around supporting any "relatively conservative/socialist lite" candidate you want. So carry on...
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Ryan and the jr. Paul aren't running Ryan voted for the bailouts, the Patriot Act, and the Iraq invasion. He doesn't belong in the same sentence with Rand Paul.
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Fair enough. I'd have an easier time plugging my nose for him than these others, though.
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Fair enough. I'd have an easier time plugging my nose for him than these others, though. True.
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If throwing around words like,"Rino",Neo-Con", "Paleo-Con" etc is what passes for political sophistication in your circles-and apparently it is- I'll just stick with common sense and support the best guy with a chance to win.
WIN.That's the object of politics.With WINNING comes POWER,with POWER comes the ability to bring about CHANGE.CHANGE is going to happen , because SOMEONE is going to WIN the 2012 election for POTUS.
It COULD be Obama.It Could be Romney.It COULD be Cain.It COULD be Perry.
It WON"T be Paul.
See how simple politics REALLY is when you have a little common sense?
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The point your "common sense" is missing is this... you can get so obsessed with winning that you lose the reason you wanted to win in the first place.
This country requires a change in direction, not a change in the pace at which we're charging toward oblivion.
Again, pearls to swine. Carry on with your common sense victory of nothing...
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