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I'm talking military pistol here...
My vote is the S&W M&P.
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The FN (the 9mm or 45, not the 5.7) looks suitable as well though I haven't shot one. But I'm sure everyone will differ on what constitutes "state of the art". It hurts me to recognize that probably includes plastic construction.
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+1. I think a Glock in 45 GAP should be considered if a 45 cartridge is desired, or chamber the M&P for 45 GAP.
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The 5.7 FN. It will shoot through alot of body armor that no other handgun will. Light, very easy to shoot, and holds 20 rds. Very easy to maintain, etc. E
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If it is durable and easy to maintain the FN makes a lot of sense...it is the choice of Mexican drug dealers and they surly knows what kills people...
Another big plus is lack of recoil...a big training plus...
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The 5.7 FN. It will shoot through alot of body armor that no other handgun will. Light, very easy to shoot, and holds 20 rds. Very easy to maintain, etc. E +1 for this being the current state of the art. Although, hard to argue with the XD or XD-M platform. Seems to have the toughness of the Glock with better ergonomics.
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M&P< since by military i assume you mean U.S.
They require a manual safety button.
Plus, the M&P's are great guns.
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For me it would have to be the FN. While not a standard caliber I was impressed with the design, function and shootability of the gun. VERY light recoil, impressive penetration, ease of use and should be very easy to train new shooters in how to use and use well. FN has a long history of great military small arms design and this 5.7 pistol is a prime example.
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OK you pistol, Art Deco/State of the Art( whatever the Hell that means) gun nuts
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I considered the FN 5.7, but the jury�s still out on the real effectiveness of the cartridge in neutralizing an enemy. True there have been some shootings that have resulted in corpses, but just killing someone; hell, you can do that with a Red Ryder if you try hard enough.
If the cartridge proves out, I�d consider switching my choice, but at this point I just remain skeptical.
In the realm of body armor penetration, there are a couple of cartridges that could play out if further developed:
7.62x25 Tokarev
.357 Sig
Both could be rather interesting if someone got real creative on the body armor issue.
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Except for SOCOM troops and Military Police IMHO pistols are useless compared to issuing an M4 carbine.
And for support troops the M4 should be strictly a semi-automatic version!
I say this with 25 years of Military service time experience.
Feel free to disagree with me.
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I considered the FN 5.7, but the jury�s still out on the real effectiveness of the cartridge in neutralizing an enemy. True there have been some shootings that have resulted in corpses, but just killing someone; hell, you can do that with a Red Ryder if you try hard enough.
If the cartridge proves out, I�d consider switching my choice, but at this point I just remain skeptical.
In the realm of body armor penetration, there are a couple of cartridges that could play out if further developed:
7.62x25 Tokarev
.357 Sig
Both could be rather interesting if someone got real creative on the body armor issue. The SMG loadings of the 7.62x25 Tokarev are awsome at punching body armour. Some of the Czech ammo was a mild steel jacket and I saw it punch both sides of a level 2 vest and then the oil drum it was hung on...impressive
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Except for SOCOM troops and Military Police IMHO pistols are useless compared to issuing an M4 carbine.
And for support troops the M4 should be strictly a semi-automatic version!
I say this with 25 years of Military service time experience.
Feel free to disagree with me. I do disagree. Taxpayers have more dollars invested in SOCOM assets (like me in a former life), but non-SOCOM troops have families to go home to also. Herbert McBride said it best, "A bayonet is what you country gives you when they are too damn cheap to buy you proper pistol". He carried his own 1911 in France. That is a big time UCMJ violation now thanks to Slick Willie.
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Except for SOCOM troops and Military Police IMHO pistols are useless compared to issuing an M4 carbine.
And for support troops the M4 should be strictly a semi-automatic version!
I say this with 25 years of Military service time experience.
Feel free to disagree with me. I agree and disagree. Certainly whenever possible, take a rifle. But there are times, especially for military police, when a rifle just isn't practical. And on the battlefield, a handgun is awfully comforting when your rifle either goes down, or runs dry when the action is hot & heavy.
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Thank you Take a Knee for your service.
I will agree with your position IF and WHEN the Military begins training it's ordinary personel on how use use a pistol.
For the 99% of troops who are not MPs or SOCOM... they are not properly trained. A one day a year qualification course is not enough... IMHO, to carry a pistol.
I respectfully agree to disagree.
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Thank you Take a Knee for your service.
I will agree with your position IF and WHEN the Military begins training it's ordinary personel on how use use a pistol.
For the 99% of troops who are not MPs or SOCOM... they are not properly trained. A one day a year qualification course is not enough... IMHO, to carry a pistol.
I respectfully agree to disagree. +1. The well trained soldier will do well with whatever he or she is issued. The untrained will be a detriment with whatever you guys decide is best.
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I wish the Military would back to the 1911
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The M1911 in .45 Auto, what else did you expect? 
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I'm talking military pistol here...
My vote is the S&W M&P. 38 S&W or the fire-breathing 38 Special?
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