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Would like to read this poster's definition of a "free society".

Prison free
3 free meals a day
Free medical care of the highest standard
Free protection from results of your actions
Free housing that is much better than the navy space wise.
Free gym membership, work outs.
Free mental health care
Free assistance in getting on SSDI upon release.


And the list goes on and on. What these goats think of freedom is the freedom from responsibility.


Why do I call them goats? Well, If you'll eat something someone else stole from the chow hall and carried around in his shorts, that's a goat.

It's easier to understand in context, where you can see which laws and which thugs are being referenced.

You need to substitute in your head the word "neocon" where he says conservative. He means neocons tend to hate programs ostensibly directed at helping the poor, but favor the increase in police power needed to manage the chaos which results from such leftist policies, while liberals love the liberal policies, but hate the increase in police power that was made necessary by the degradation of society caused by the liberal policies.

No government, and thus no commons.

Mostly I agree with you, but where do you get "of the highest standard" for medical care?

A friend of mine is a doctor who volunteers treating prisoners whenever she has a chance, and her assessment of prison medical care is somewhat different.

Hawkeye: Having zero previous experience with that poster, am saying thanks for your deciphers. Appreciated !

Free is free and everything else isn't, there are no levels. At the appearance of the first rule, freedom vanished.

There are only 3 crimes:
Injure the person of another.
Damage the property of another.
Infringe the rights of another.

In a free society there are no external rules, rule makers, or rule enforcers and the only rules that exist are self imposed. So long as no crime (as defined above) is committed there is no authority for initiation of force.

That's double speak. All I have to do is shoot you and take what you have. Those that work for you would then work for me unless they interfered in my shooting you then they wouldn't work for anybody.


You need to explain what you mean by that.



The government doesn't mow my lawn now. I do. The government doesn't protect me in the purest sense at present. Break into my home and I'll do the protecting. I'll have to explain to government later what happened but I think I can do that.



The vehicle we have in place for accomplishing this is the electoral process. It works poorly but that's because we have so many people who are easily beguiled by politicians. In Barakistan you would have the same electorate as we have now except for those that are killed off when they tried to break into my home.

Bottom line: Utopia exists only in the dreams of dreamers. So long as a world is populated by men having a sin nature it can't exist. Any imaginings to the contrary are only subjects to be argued over coffee around the campfire. You may as well be contemplating Heaven and Hell.

Not a bit of reality do I see.

You could gag a maggot. I knew I should not have taken you off ignore, Back to ignore you go you worthless [bleep].

This is why I speak of liberty, rather than freedom. Freedom is the absence of restraint. Liberty is the state in which the law interferes with your doing nothing that is your right to do. It only interferes with things you don't have a right to do. The latter amounts to acts of victimization, and nothing else. If you can't point to an authentic victim, then no crime has occurred.

Why move them on at all?

Just take the opportunity offered and build a nice strong electric fence around them about 16 feet tall topped with razor wire and contain them in one place where they can't cause any more problems.
Call it an inner city zoo where people can come and see the strange animals.

they've been doing a pretty fair job trying to murder each other so far......other than the MSM...and Barak apparently, nobody takes these assclowns seriously enough to do them violence, but at some point their illegal, unsanitary, and criminal-ridden encampments are going to be disbanded, as they should have been on day one.

whatever thou would doest is the whole of the Law. does that about sum it up?

In Ohio, by mandate of the district court like most of the other prisoner "rights". Our inmates are treated at Ohio State University. We have a local Doctor on staff, but they also do telemed conferences. We have chronic care clinics for everything under the sun. Inmates get name brand drugs, not generic. Medical staff on sight 24/7. We run ambulances out all the time. Inmates sit at a local hospital if they can't take a 2 hour ride, in a private room with two officers.

Dental, eye care, podiatry, dietician services, regular blood draws, special diet meals. Not to mention an entire mental health system built within our framework and overseen my the department of mental health.


These guys are treated better than I was in the Navy, and better than Vets are today.

Huh.

Around here, medical services are pretty good when they're provided, but the waiting list is months if not years long. It's not unknown for an inmate to die after waiting in line for three months for a simple X-ray. One guy in my software-development class (yes, I understand that that's yet another indulgence) has been in a wheelchair for a couple of years with a dislocated hip, waiting for somebody to snap it back in. Most of the guys are missing at least one tooth--some of them all their teeth--because the only dental instruments available are forceps. Prescription mess like insulin and blood thinner are provided, but OTC drugs are sold in the commissary at street-plus prices.

In short, it seems like the sort of system where nothing is made available unless the department has specifically lost a lawsuit.

Not that I particularly object. You know by now what I think of tax-funded government services. It just didn't square with what you'd described.

but what you've described doesn't square with reality....unless you work in some sort of rogure prison out of a bad movie. the feds and various prison do-gooder groups are all over state correctional institutions on medical care issues....and over issues far more trivial than what you describe.

I wonder, Barak, if you're not being played.

I have a friend who CAN'T stay out of jail. He goes in to get glasses, teeth, all the medical stuff, for free. He is basically homeless, and goes to jail a lot in the winter, when it's cold. That is my experience. But I do not WORK in a jail. You may see more than I do.

And that's a damn shame.