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#5813684 - 11/15/11 Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI?
brymoore Offline
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I'm about to pull the plug on a Kimber 84L. I'm a 270 guy and thought think this would be my perfect rifle in that caliber. I was talking to a buddy about it yesterday and he thought I was crazy for not getting a 280AI. He went off on a rather long rant naming the reasons that the 280AI was superior to the 270.

At this point, I can be persuaded. Which is best? I'm a one rifle guy so this rifle will be used for everything ID has to offer.

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#5813698 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: brymoore]
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Better bullet selection and a little more juice with 280 ai. Either one will kill stuff dead as dead gets!

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#5813722 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: Tanner]
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Don't own either, but if I were weighing the choices the first question is, do you handload? Pretty clear discriminator on this one. 270 will be much easier to sell should the need arise. I think the 280AI would be cool.

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#5813805 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: brymoore]
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I went looking for an 84L yesterday. I want a 30-06.

My local dealer called Kimber and they have a .270 ready to ship. A 30-06 or .280AI was probably 5 months out.

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#5813822 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: Mossy]
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I have a 280 AI, so I am obviously prejudiced but the reasons I got one in that caliber was the selection of bullets to hand-load and the ability to use regular 280 Rem ammo if I need to. Both will kill about the same, but so will a .260rem.
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#5813834 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: prm]
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Originally Posted By: prm
Don't own either, but if I were weighing the choices the first question is, do you handload? Pretty clear discriminator on this one. 270 will be much easier to sell should the need arise. I think the 280AI would be cool.


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#5814035 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: ShootDogs]
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25-06 is what i am getting.

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#5814095 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: Tanner]
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Originally Posted By: TannerGun
Better bullet selection and a little more juice with 280 ai. Either one will kill stuff dead as dead gets!


For a young guy, Tanner is really smart! cool grin

I'd get a 280AI because I already have more 270's than I know what to do with,and the chambering in that rifle is kinda unique among stuff made today.


Edited by BobinNH (11/15/11)
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#5814164 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: BobinNH]
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Get the .270. That's one less in front of me for the .280! smile
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#5814186 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: prm]
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Originally Posted By: prm
Don't own either, but if I were weighing the choices the first question is, do you handload? Pretty clear discriminator on this one. 270 will be much easier to sell should the need arise. I think the 280AI would be cool.


If you're not a reloader you probably don't shoot all that much anyway to make ammo cost a factor in which to buy. If you hang out here for any amount of time you'll realize how easy it would be to sell the 280 Ackley right here in the classified's if that (resale) really motivates you one way or the other with new gun purchases.

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#5814220 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: RDFinn]
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If you're happy with the 270 then get one. If you want to be different, handload, then get the 280ai.

Me personally, as much as I want the 280ai, I think I am going to start with a 25-06

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#5814473 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: Mossy]
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Originally Posted By: Mossy
I went looking for an 84L yesterday. I want a 30-06.

My local dealer called Kimber and they have a .270 ready to ship. A 30-06 or .280AI was probably 5 months out.


Funny, I have a .30-06 on the way, should be here by the end of the week or early next week.
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#5814476 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: BobinNH]
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Originally Posted By: BobinNH
Originally Posted By: TannerGun
Better bullet selection and a little more juice with 280 ai. Either one will kill stuff dead as dead gets!


For a young guy, Tanner is really smart! cool grin

I'd get a 280AI because I already have more 270's than I know what to do with,and the chambering in that rifle is kinda unique among stuff made today.
Smarter than I look! laugh

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#5814544 - 11/15/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: Tanner]
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I have a 30-06 on the way.
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#5815081 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: 40O]
brymoore Offline
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I'll reload for either caliber. My game plan is to put a 2.5x8 Leupold with a CDS dial. I'm not much of a long range (400 Yds plus) shooter at this time but will likely spend more time shooting longer with the dials.

My buddy went off on a long tangent about BC and bullet selection and other stuff but my ADD kicked in and I spaced out while he sold the 280AI.

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#5815110 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: brymoore]
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You going wood/blue or stainless/syn? In wood/blue both chamberings are out there including the '06. Syn/Stainless, the 270 and '06 are out there but the 280ai maybe a little wait..check online

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#5815165 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: ChipM]
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I'm buying a Montana.

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#5816565 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: brymoore]
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Originally Posted By: brymoore


My buddy went off on a long tangent about BC and bullet selection and other stuff but my ADD kicked in and I spaced out while he sold the 280AI.


brymoore: I know the feeling...... sick

I get the same look/feeling when my wife is explaining what's going on during an episode of "Gray's Anatomy";or is explaining how to do something I don't want to do.

People don't realize that ADD is not a defective condition......it is a filter,a defense mechanism designed to protect us from these people and excrutiating minutia..... crazy


Edited by BobinNH (11/16/11)
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#5816963 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: brymoore]
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The 280AI is everything the 270 wants to be when it grows up. There are factory offerings avaliable ammo wise as well. Nosler does load the 280AI in their ammo line. I just cant get excited about a 270 anything and already running a 280AI makes the choice a no brainer for me.
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#5817042 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: brymoore]
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Originally Posted By: brymoore
I'm about to pull the plug on a Kimber 84L. I'm a 270 guy and thought think this would be my perfect rifle in that caliber. I was talking to a buddy about it yesterday and he thought I was crazy for not getting a 280AI. He went off on a rather long rant naming the reasons that the 280AI was superior to the 270.

At this point, I can be persuaded. Which is best? I'm a one rifle guy so this rifle will be used for everything ID has to offer.




Everyone is in a hurry to talk/flaunt speeds outta da gate,which is often close to moot,unless your interest is in actually putting powder burns on gates.

Because boolits matter more than headstamps,they fully control/define the speed at which they impact downrange(which is much different from launch speeds at the gate) and in conjunction with same,how much they drop/drift and how hard they slap schit downstream. So the most fruit is born by selection of the boolit that retains the most speed,in conjunction with a healthy initial launch and by giving boolit construction/integrity a thunk as well. It's a balancing act and suplizingly few are even aware of the cause/affects,fewer yet frost their own cakes. Long story short,the 270 can't hang. Nor the 25-06 or the 25-06AI and I shoot them all.

The 280AI is a great use of capacity in regards to COAL latitude and they are twisted right out of the gate,to afford nice things to be arranged by superior projectiles and both their initial and residual velocities. As an aside,it slips atmospheric conditions exceptionally. It will stay supersonic to a mile,retain a 2000fps impact velocity to the 725yd line,with but 3.4MOA of full value drift at same and easily has the ass to CRUNCH critters to 1000yds+. All of that with modest recoil,modest weight,modest over all length and very mild manners across the course.

CDS is junk and you are pissing up a rope there.

You've been led to water.

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#5817145 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: Boxer]
brymoore Offline
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Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: Boxer

CDS is junk and you are pissing up a rope there.


Scope recommendation?

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#5817319 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: KDK]
BobinNH Offline
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Originally Posted By: KDK
Get the .270. That's one less in front of me for the .280! smile


KDK: Too late.... cool grin
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#5817485 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: BobinNH]
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25,27,28, out to 500 or even 600 it doesn't matter.

But, if you plan on spinning a turret and like heavier longer BC bullets then 28 AI.

Would rather have the 25 over the 27 as well.

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#5817535 - 11/16/11 Re: Kimber 84L 270 or 280AI? [Re: brymoore]
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Originally Posted By: brymoore
Originally Posted By: Boxer

CDS is junk and you are pissing up a rope there.


Scope recommendation?



I bleed Leupold,but disfavor the 2.5-8x everywhere,doubly so on a long action. The CDS is the phucking Cough Silencer of turrets.

I've no qualm with a 6x42 taking me to 1000yds and beyond,do it often. If forced to slum a variable,it gets no better than the 3.5-10x 40mm 1" on a Killing Rifle and make mine non-A/O. Pass the M1 ele,leave windage go and get outta my way,because schit is going on.

As to the 25,27 and 28 being "equals"...I couldn't begin to shift my brain into a gear low enough to deduce same,nor could anyone else I know who guns 'em all. While case capacity do border on equal,boolits do not and therein lies the disparaging differences. NOTHING equals the 7mm's pile driving ass or ability to slip atmospheric and that's what bears the fruit. And don't think I don't love quarterbores...but they simply cain't hang.

'Tis a simplistic FACT,that not all things is equal.

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