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Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
I for one would love to hear Adam's response to this.

Also, I thought that Mark was NOT involved with this...what is the PM all about?

My real issue is with the lawyer Dawnroar.

Why did you bring up the issue of the lost buffalo first?
How did you know about it?
Why are you not holding Adam responsible for forgetting to hold the trophy fee when he knew that the elephant was a calf?
Why are you not holding Adam responsible for not ensuring that the client got to hunt with the correct PH rather than a black listed one?
Why are you not holding Adam & Wayne responsible for not communicating with each other in the best interst of the client - firstly when Tim was assigned to the safari and secondly when the elephant was shot & it was obviously a BIG problem?
Why are you not askng about Mark's first couple of post & its innuendos?
Why are you still not asking Adam to take 50% of the responsibility for the various failures on his part to provide the best service to his client?
Why are you brushing off the problem as "Adam made some mistakes"?
Is failing to provide the contracted services and using a black listed PH who beaks the law just "some mistakes"?
Is passing on the offer of substituted ivory just "some mistake"?
Is exposing the client to Lacey act culpability just "some mistake"?

As a lawyer I thought you would have exhibited your professional credibility a lot better than this.

I do not buy your story and your plea of being just a hunter & a friend of Adam. You owe yourself some hard truths and you need to stop assumiung that we in AR are dumb enough to swallow rubbish! I get really mad when people try to pull the wool over everyones eye and pretend to be doing them a favour! I always liked Lincoln's saying "You cannot fool all the people all the time"!!

Thanks to Saeed & AR members for exposing this sad issue in such detail. I hope my first African safari will be better than this. It will definitly not be through or with Adam, Mark or Wayne / Tim.

I guess I am lucky to have a good friend who has invited me on a 2 on 1 in Zim in 2013. I know my money will be well spent.

All Gone,

I guess you must realize that this is an international forum so basically you've already let the cat out of the bag so to speak and made your intent to write a negative report quite clear.
Mark

I feel like i should let you know that in a previous post i stated that Adam said he had a few issues with Jimba. That was incorrect, the complaints were with PH Tim L. not Jimba.

After that, Adam had an agreement with WD that his clients would only have him {WD} as a PH.

I was not aware of this until yesterday.

Which brings up another big question.

Why didn't Adam tell me this before the hunt so i would have known to call him right away when i found out that WD was not going to be my PH.

I feel that Adam is turning this on me as being my fault that i didn't call as soon as i knew this. How the hell was i supposed know all this was going on with an outfitter that he endorsed and was sending me with.

Is this a question i should have asked? How could i possibly ask all the questions to cover every possible scenario?

Adam also wanted to know why i didn't call as soon as the ele was shot so he could jump in and fix things right away. Was i supposed to ask Tim if i could use his phone so i could call Adam and tell him that Tim just told me to shoot a little ele? Like anyone was going to believe me over the PH until they seen pics.

Sorry for the rant and the negitvity but this whole thing really stinks. I just needed to let off some steam!

AG

It would be this hard when you are dealing with Adam Clements. If you recall, a while back a client of Mr. Clements had valuable items stolen from him an a "secure" camp. After many months of feet dragging and vitriol directed at the client, Mr. Clements finally settled for pennies on the dollar. The smart money says history will repeat itself. Sorry AG.

The bigger picture as I see it is the ethics of the operation. Mr Clements and his Wyoming based partner run the used car lot of African hunting. They are known to promote anything they can make a buck on. An illegal hunt in Moz pops to mind. Or hunts offered with NO personal experience with whom they are shilling for. Seen that too. Or selling from an internet broadcast then adding 20% for himself. Any of those hitting home Mark?

So when a hunt goes sideways, it is then easy to brush aside any responsibility. What are they to do but ring their hands, then hope the whole thing blows over?

No, if a hunt goes this defective, and it was arranged by the recommendation of a professional, I would expect the check book to be whipped out and this sad situation be made right - with no more delay to the client.

Jack Sissoyev,
Covina, CA

This is my reply e-mail i sent to Adam a couple of days ago. I'm not going to show his, if he wants to he can. I have no reply to this one yet.

Adam,

I talked to Wayne today. He told me this was all my fault because i didn't call him after the ele fiasco. I said don't you think Tim should have said something about the ele. He said it wasen't Tims hunt it was your hunt. I said yes it was my hunt and you deciding that your meeting was more important than my hunt and you left a POS for a PH their for me on my very first once in a lifetime African safari. Plus you went back on your word with Adam that all his clients were to hunt with you. I told him that he stabbed you and i both in the back on that one. He said it wouldn't have made a difference and changed the subject again right away. Bottom line he took no responsibility whatsoever Adam.

Thats the same thing you are doing. Trying to put this whole thing on me. I was willing to take half the blame Adam Clements and thought you would be man enough to take the other half but i guess not. You keep telling everyone that i should have called you as soon as i found out that Wayne was not to be my PH. Why didn't you tell me upfront the deal you had with Wayne? How long would that have taken you? Were you afraid that if you told me this that i would have thought that something was wrong with this outfit?

Tell me how i am turning things around on AR, i'm not sure what you are talking about?

You have your Dawnroar the lawyer whore go on in front of you, he did everything but introduce you to the crowd. You guys feel you have to gang up on me ? Really? Am i that big of a threat to you? I thought you said you didn't care what anybody said on AR.

Adam, what i would like from you is to come on AR and tell everyone that you take half the blame for the communication breakdown about me not knowing the deal you had with Wayne and not telling me ahead of time. I would also like for you to admit there were problems with this outfitter in the past which i know there was. Please tell us how you forgot to tell accounting to not send tha ele trophy fee also. I would like you to tell everyone that the 3 or 4 contacts between us a week was not true. I was in contact with Jamie that much in your Lubbick office but but not you in the San Antonio office. You know as well as i do Adam that the only time you contacted me was after i called you first. I will let everyone know about the PM that Mark sent me. If he wants to put it all out there Adam i say lets do it, It's on! I am not going away Adam until this thing is resolved. I feel like i have been robbed of my first safari and i don't like it at all!!

Richard

If you want opinions, All Gone, Yes, leave them there! I question your values "All Gone" (pun intended). I know that you have had multiple problems with Adams and ACST and the outfitter and the PH, BUT you show lack of judgement and you show lack of character.

While hindsight is 20/20 I would like to think that most of us know that a bribe (even in Africa) is wrong. Further, you sold some elephant skin for ~$100 (are you cheap, innocent or both?) that might be illegally taken, and now, after much proof that your elephant is both immature and possibly a calf or maybe worse, a cow, you still ask if you should bring the ivory back??? And yes, you should know that shooting from a vehicle or boat is wrong.

P.S. Saeed, your quote from DawnRoar is Priceless!!!! Talk about a bunch of flies on a rotting carcass...

I personally don't care to see any of the AR crap here. I quit going there and posting there years ago for a reason. If I wanted to get into all of the soap opera's at Saeed's sight I could go there myself.

I second marks comments. Saeed is a personal friend of mine but I no longer visit the site either. It's the perfect example of every guy who has been to africa one time being an absolute expert on all that is africa. Any single one time experience is what " always happens" and they will argue the trivial non-sense of meaningless stuff as if somebody is on death row.

Why bother dragging it here. We all know where to find meaningless drivel if we are board to tears and want to waste time on the net

I personally don't care to see any of the AR crap here. I quit going there and posting there years ago for a reason. If I wanted to get into all of the soap opera's at Saeed's sight I could go there myself.