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If someone gave me a .300 Weatherby I’d probably just trade it for something I want. A 20” .300 RCM in a lightweight synthetic stock would be nice. How many paragraphs would it take you to explain the logic for owning one of those? How many would you like?
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If I was given or won a .300 Weatherby I'd trade it for a 7mm mag. There is nothing I wouldn't hunt with a 7 mag and I can't imagine wanting more recoil.
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If someone gave me a .300 Weatherby I’d probably just trade it for something I want. A 20” .300 RCM in a lightweight synthetic stock would be nice. How many paragraphs would it take you to explain the logic for owning one of those? How many would you like? See I knew you were just seeking validation.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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If I was given or won a .300 Weatherby I'd trade it for a 7mm mag. There is nothing I wouldn't hunt with a 7 mag and I can't imagine wanting more recoil. Whoooop....there it is
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See I knew you were just seeking validation.
Apparently you are as blind to sarcasm as you are other things.
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See I knew you were just seeking validation.
Apparently you are as blind to sarcasm as you are other things. Oh I get it. You were being sarcastic about wanting a RCM.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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See I knew you were just seeking validation.
Apparently you are as blind to sarcasm as you are other things. Oh I get it. You were being sarcastic about wanting a RCM. No, you don't get it but you prove my point. I think a synthetic stocked 20" .300RCM would make for a very handy and capable carry rifle. Now that Ruger is offering them for sale, I plan to put a synthetic stock on my laminate stocked 16.1" .308 Ruger Scout as well.
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See I knew you were just seeking validation.
Apparently you are as blind to sarcasm as you are other things. Oh I get it. You were being sarcastic about wanting a RCM. No, you don't get it but you prove my point. I think a synthetic stocked 20" .300RCM would make for a very handy and capable carry rifle. Now that Ruger is offering them for sale, I plan to put a synthetic stock on my laminate stocked 16.1" .308 Ruger Scout as well. LOL I was actually being sarcastic because no one in their right mind would buy a gun with virtually no reliable brass/ammo supply in an obscure chambering (thus little resale value) that basically duplicates a hand loaded '06. But go right ahead if it pleases you.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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LOL
I was actually being sarcastic because no one in their right mind would buy a gun with virtually no reliable brass/ammo supply in an obscure chambering (thus little resale value) that basically duplicates a hand loaded '06.
But go right ahead if it pleases you.
I wouldn't buy one for someone else or for resale value but rather for its functionality. Brass isn't a concern - there is plenty available and I'd buy a lifetime supply. A handloaded -06 won't do what a RCM can do in a short barrel config. I can pick up a NIB iron-sighted RCM with a 20" barrel for $499.
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LOL
I was actually being sarcastic because no one in their right mind would buy a gun with virtually no reliable brass/ammo supply in an obscure chambering (thus little resale value) that basically duplicates a hand loaded '06.
But go right ahead if it pleases you.
I wouldn't buy one for someone else or for resale value but rather for its functionality. Brass isn't a concern - there is plenty available and I'd buy a lifetime supply. A handloaded -06 won't do what a RCM can do in a short barrel config. I can pick up a NIB iron-sighted RCM with a 20" barrel for $499. Is that all you got? I'm very disappointed. I was expecting 10 paragraphs minimum. 499 is still waaaay too much for one of those rifles.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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LOL
I was actually being sarcastic because no one in their right mind would buy a gun with virtually no reliable brass/ammo supply in an obscure chambering (thus little resale value) that basically duplicates a hand loaded '06.
But go right ahead if it pleases you.
I wouldn't buy one for someone else or for resale value but rather for its functionality. Brass isn't a concern - there is plenty available and I'd buy a lifetime supply. A handloaded -06 won't do what a RCM can do in a short barrel config. I can pick up a NIB iron-sighted RCM with a 20" barrel for $499. The RCM is a boat anchor that was did on arrival. It won't do anything a handloaded 30-06 won't do regardless of barrel length.
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LOL
I was actually being sarcastic because no one in their right mind would buy a gun with virtually no reliable brass/ammo supply in an obscure chambering (thus little resale value) that basically duplicates a hand loaded '06.
But go right ahead if it pleases you.
I wouldn't buy one for someone else or for resale value but rather for its functionality. Brass isn't a concern - there is plenty available and I'd buy a lifetime supply. A handloaded -06 won't do what a RCM can do in a short barrel config. I can pick up a NIB iron-sighted RCM with a 20" barrel for $499. The RCM is a boat anchor that was did on arrival. It won't do anything a handloaded 30-06 won't do regardless of barrel length. Show me a 20" .30-06 that can push a 180g bullet over 3000fps at safe pressures and I'll concede your point. Also, where can I get an iron-sighted 20" 30-06 that will do that for $499?
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The 300 rcm doesn't get over 3000 fps from a Hornady test barrel of unknown length. The last test I saw of one with actually velocity from the 20" tube was in the 2800fps range. The RCM only has a few more grains capacity than the 30-06 and less than the 300 saum and wsm. And good luck reaching anywhere near 300 fps with a rcm handloading. It was very difficult for me to do with a 3000 saum and a 24" tube.
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The 300 rcm doesn't get over 3000 fps from a Hornady test barrel of unknown length. The last test I saw of one with actually velocity from the 20" tube was in the 2800fps range. The RCM only has a few more grains capacity than the 30-06 and less than the 300 saum and wsm. And good luck reaching anywhere near 300 fps with a rcm handloading. It was very difficult for me to do with a 3000 saum and a 24" tube. Hornady disagrees, but perhaps you know more about their test results than they do. http://www.hornady.com/store/300-RCM-180-GR-InterBond-Superformance/ Test Barrel (20") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs) MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500 3040/3693 2840/3223 2649/2804 2466/2430 2290/2096 2121/1789
Details Item Number 82228 H.I.T.S. # (100 Yard Value) 1367 Ballistic Coefficient (G1) .480 Sectional Density .271 Test Barrel Length (inches) 20 Quantity 20/BX
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The 300 rcm doesn't get over 3000 fps from a Hornady test barrel of unknown length. The last test I saw of one with actually velocity from the 20" tube was in the 2800fps range. The RCM only has a few more grains capacity than the 30-06 and less than the 300 saum and wsm. And good luck reaching anywhere near 300 fps with a rcm handloading. It was very difficult for me to do with a 3000 saum and a 24" tube. Hornady disagrees, but perhaps you know more about their test results than they do. http://www.hornady.com/store/300-RCM-180-GR-InterBond-Superformance/ Test Barrel (20") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs) MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500 3040/3693 2840/3223 2649/2804 2466/2430 2290/2096 2121/1789
Details Item Number 82228 H.I.T.S. # (100 Yard Value) 1367 Ballistic Coefficient (G1) .480 Sectional Density .271 Test Barrel Length (inches) 20 Quantity 20/BX
With the exception of Hybrid V, Hodgdon lists 2800-2850 max with a 180gr bullet. And that's in a 24" barrel. I bet the telemarketers and home shopping channel do well with you.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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With the exception of Hybrid V, Hodgdon lists 2800-2850 max with a 180gr bullet. And that's in a 24" barrel.
I bet the telemarketers and home shopping channel do well with you.
Over lunch I called Tim at Hornady Product Support and asked if the 3040fps was a mistake. He confirmed it. Whether Hornady used a 20" or 24" barrel length really doesn't make much difference to me, although they claim 20". 2900fps would be fine which is still better than a 20" .30-06 can do. What I want is an iron-sighted carbine length rifle and for $499 the Ruger Hawkeye .300RCM fits the bill better than anything else I know of.
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I don't doubt Hornady makes those claims. Whether any loading but a single factory load can repeat those results is another matter entirely.
For all practical purposes, you will probably end up with a rifle that only hold an advantage to a 20" '06 in that it is 1/2" shorter OAL. Disadvantages being an obsolete chambering that nobody else wants when you or your kids want to get rid of it.
If you want a Ruger, find one of the ultralight '06's
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Personally, for elk, if I were gonna commit to 300 Weatherby levels of recoil, give me my .338 instead.
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Hells Bells,just use something in the .270-.375 range and go kill elk.
This is not rocket science.
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