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Really? And how many labor unions were active in the Soviet Union? When the Polish labor unions surfaced, these people were taking their lives in their hands by speaking out. You seem to have a utopian vision of Socialism that has no basis in either history or fact.

JorgeI,
The PkW IV had a Maybach V12 gasoline engine. The T34's had diesel engines, as did some Shermans that were sent to Russia anmd also used by the US Marine Corps in the Pacific.
Stan

Thats the one. State Dept. went around him to get the unofficial help. Stark made it his personal mission to destroy anyone he didn't like.

I'm an old tank officer with the 29th. Division & served with a few veterans of WWII & Korea. We used Sherman's until finally receiving the M60 which was long overdue. The only way the Sherman could defeat the German tanks was with numbers & tactics. Our nickname was "Ronson" since they were so prone to catch fire. The German tanks were produced on heavy equipment production lines which resulted in slow production. We produced the Sherman's in high production mostly automobile factories. As with most things German their tanks were very complex & as the war continued were very prove to mechanical failures. During training, I remember seeing movie footage of American tank crews shot by the Germans after surrendering. We were told that we would adhere to the Geneva Convention & treat any captured enemy accordingly. When several troopers asked our colonel what happened during WWII he replied "we shot the bastards".

If you don't know the difference between totalitarian communism and democratic socialism - I take you never passed Political Science 101.

Give it up, you got your ass handed to you. It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.

Good stuff sir�you have walked the walk�

We have a saying down here, the best way to get out of a hole is to stop digging. Hint, hint.

thanks. I stand corrected! jorge

Even my grade 10's know the difference.

Here's a hint.

Norway, Sweden, Denmark in 2012 - are Socialist.
China, USSR, Cuba in 1960 - were Communist.

The difference?

If you need it explained...

He's already enshrined in the Hall Of Buffoons...

Jorge can't even figure out what Jr. High students know - and he's from one of the countries mentioned! A political refugee without a clue perhaps?

Even my grade 10's know the difference.

Here's a hint.

Norway, Sweden, Denmark in 2012 - are Socialist.
China, USSR, Cuba in 1960 - were Communist.

The difference?

If you need it explained...

The ignorance demonstrated by Jorge on this issue - is beyond astounding.
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By who's definition?

Here's Wiki's definition, every academia nut's favorite hardon website...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_countries

Current Socialist countries:

Vietnam
Cuba
China
Lao

No Scandinavian countries listed.

Their list of former Socialist countries includes such rousing success stories as:

USSR
GDR
North Korea
Romania
Poland
Angola
Albania
Yemen
Yugoslavia
etc., etc.,



Norway is officially a Constitutional Monarchy and a Unitary parliamentary representative democracy, as is Sweden and Denmark.


As usual, you closet communists try to make up definitions to fit what you want the world to be, rather than attempting any semblance of intellectual honesty.

That�s funny. Name one socialist country with free independent unions or even citizens. There weren�t and there aren�t any.

From Wikepedia (not considered a reliable source - for senior student's use - by the way) - but you mentioned it.

Communism is a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of a classless, moneyless, revolutionary and stateless socialist society structured upon common ownership of the means of production. Communism is often mistakenly, in general political discourse, used interchangeably with socialism.

Socialism is an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership.[2] As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs. Social democrats advocate public control of capital within the framework of a market economy.

VC Brian has his little copy of Das Kapital tucked under his pillow at night. The realities of the world, are of little interest to him.

Virtually every American on this forum calls Canada a socialist country.

We have many unions in Canada. In fact, I belong to one.

Game, set, match.

JorgeI,
And thank you for reminding me of the ULTRA and HF/DF contributions to the battle of the Atlantic. Great intelligince always helps good tactics. As a former S-3 Viking pilot with much more knowledge of sub hunting than I could ever hope to have, thanks for posting on the subject. It's always great to hear from profesionals on a subject. Thanks for your service.
Stan

Bletchly Park and Ultra. The enigma decoder!


Here's a little political science even Brian can get:

Political Philosophies Explained in Simple "Two Cow" Terms
Socialism

You have two cows. You keep one and give one to your neighbor.

Communism

You have two cows. The government takes them both and provides you with milk.

Fascism

You have two cows. The government takes them and sells you the milk.

Bureaucracy

You have two cows. The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, and then pours it down the drain.

Capitalism

You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Corporate

You have two cows. You sell one, force the other to produce the milk of four cows and then act surprised when it drops dead.

Democracy

You have two cows. The government taxes you to the point that you must sell them both in order to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow which was a gift from your government.

A CHRISTIAN:

You have two cows. You keep one and give one to your neighbor.

A SOCIALIST:

You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

A REPUBLICAN:

You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So what?

A DEMOCRAT:

You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful. You vote people into office who tax your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax. The people you voted for then take the tax money and buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous.

A FASCIST:

You have two cows. The government seizes both and sells you the milk. You join the underground and start a campaign of sabotage.

DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE:

You have two cows. The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your government.

CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE:

You have two cows. You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE:

You have two cows. The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, then pours the milk down the drain.

AN AMERICAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of >four cows. You are surprised when the cow drops dead.

A FRENCH CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows.

A JAPANESE CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk.

A GERMAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You reengineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves.

AN ITALIAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows but you don't know where they are. You break for lunch.

A RUSSIAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.

A MEXICAN CORPORATION:

You think you have two cows, but you don't know what a cow looks like. You take a nap.

A SWISS CORPORATION:

You have 5000 cows, none of which belongs to you. You charge for storing them >for others.

A BRAZILIAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You enter into a partnership with an American corporation. Soon you have 1000 cows and the American corporation declares bankruptcy.

A TALIBAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You turn them loose in the Afghan "countryside" and they >both die. You blame the godless American infidels and the Jews.

AN INDIAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You worship them.

Even if one accepted your premise that Sweden, Norway and Denmark are socialist (they're NOT but I'll humor you) - Sweden, Norway and Denmark have all put troops on the ground in Afghanistan since the late unpleasantness. They also were in Kosovo and Bosnia.

So ALL of your (sic) socialist countries definitely DO favour military intervention in foreign countries.