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Copied from another site... They are sticking it to us again.
Congress released their spending bills for the next year. Good news and bad news. The good news is that Congress knows that WOLVES are the priority. Only two issues were listed in the spending summaries for US Fish and Widlife Service. Wolves was one of the two. Here is the language:
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) � The FWS is funded at $1.5 billion in the bill, a cut of $28 million below last year�s level. Funding for mitigation fish hatcheries is restored, which returns $28 to the economy for every federal taxpayer dollar invested. Wolf monitoring and livestock loss programs are continued.
Now for the bad news.
While this shows Congress is hearing that wolves is a top priority, much better wolf language was stripped out of the bill at the last minute. Word from multiple sources is that Senator Jack Reed from Rhode Island and the White House removed language that would have stopped lawsuits for pending wolf delisting in Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Here is what happened.
The Republican controlled House of Representatives sent bipartisan wolf language intended to stop the litigation and return wolves to state management. Key house members fought for this language. (See language below)
The Senate stripped out this wolf language at the last minute. We have been told that Senator Klobuchar from Minnesota was the only Democratic Senator to ask for this language to remain in the bill. Here is where the Senate missed the boat. The wolf issue can't be fixed by just paying for livestock kills. The issue can't be fixed by "monitoring" wolves. The only way to fix the issue is to stop the litigation and return wolves to true state control.
It is time for Sportsmen to ask their Democratic Senators to deliver. Where was Michigan's Senator Stabenow? Where was Minnesota's Senator Franken? Where was Wisconsin's Senator Kohl? Why is the White House listening to Rhode Island instead of Senator Klobuchar from Minnesota?
Rhode Island? It is time to start listening to the people of each state affected by the growing wolf problems. It is time to acknowledge that out-of-state special interests should not dictate wildlife management in our states. Don't they get it? Sportsmen can be trusted. The states can be trusted. America's hunters and outdoorsmen have shown tremendous patience. Have we shown too much patience?
Why doesn't the White House Support state management? Why doesn't the White House support protection of all wildlife? Why does USFWS want to spread the destructiveness of unmanaged wolves across America?
It is time for sportsmen to take a stand. Help us reach the goal of 100,000 signatures on our petition. We need an army of sportsmen in this fight. The system is failing America's wildlife. Each one of us need to make clear that the future of wildlife, hunting and our outdoor heritage is OUR priority.
Here is the text of the wolf language that was stripped by the US Senate:
Sec. 119. Hereafter, any final rule published by the Department of the Interior that provides that the gray wolf (Canis lupus) in the State of Wyoming or in any of the States within the range of the Western Great Lakes Distinct Population Segment of the gray wolf (as defined in the rule published on May 5, 2011 (76 Fed. Reg. 26086 et seq.)) is not an endangered species or threatened species under the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (16 U.S.C. 1531 et seq.), including any rule to remove such species in such a State from the list of endangered species or threatened species published under that Act, shall not be subject to judicial review if such State has entered into an agreement with the Secretary of the Interior that authorizes the State to manage gray wolves in that State.
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Have not seen anything come across the telegraph on this. Usually when something like this happens the email blasts from various state agencies and other organizations are massive and continual.
I do know the governor included 600K$ in the budget to go to the FWS for management of the wolf in the "trophy" area and 200K for the state to use outside of the "trophy" area. Whether the legislature is in the mood to spend that sort of money on the feds or not is an open question..
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Go here and sign.. http://biggameforever.org/ then you get an e-mail with the info.
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Wyoming has reaped what its sown...and thats a fact.
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If the Stockgrowers and Woolgrowers hadn't convinced the Legislature to fight for 11 years, and taken the advice of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department to make wolves trophy game animals with a wide-open season in locations where wolves weren't wanted, we'd have been hunting them for ten years. So Buzz H is correct, this problem was created and perpetuated by the State of Wyoming.
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If the Stockgrowers and Woolgrowers hadn't convinced the Legislature to fight for 11 years, and taken the advice of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department to make wolves trophy game animals with a wide-open season in locations where wolves weren't wanted, we'd have been hunting them for ten years. So Buzz H is correct, this problem was created and perpetuated by the State of Wyoming. If you would of got off your dead ass and done your job, instead of chasting people for shooting the wolves that were already here.... None of this past eleven years would of been necessary. Takes alot of Balls Harju to make the leftwing bullshit attacks you do. No small wonder they fired you. Probably should of prosectued you for being a derelect.
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Ranch13,
What part of his post isnt correct?
Wyoming chose the hardball/marlboro man route...and it bit them in the a$$...and is continuting to do so. The Lummis rider in the budget bill is DOA.
ID and MT took the correct route and are enjoying state control and hunting seasons. Wyoming could of done the same thing...and was given multiple chances in 11 years to come up with an accepted plan.
Further, the Wyoming Wolf Coalition...made up of the Wyoming stockgrowers Association, Wyoming Wool Growers Association, Wyoming SFW, and BGF...through their Attorney Harriet Hageman tried like hell to derail the Tester/Simpson language that gave wolf control to those States.
Maybe instead of being in opposition to the route that gave MT and ID the right to manage and hunt wolves...they should have jumped ON the bus, rather than try to throw MT and ID under same.
The WWC, along with their chronies have single-handedly put the screws to the Hunters in Wyoming as well as Wyomings wildlife.
I'm sick of them playing high-stakes poker with MY PUBLIC WILDLIFE...they have nothing to lose, other than their cash cow that is the wolf issue. I question whether they really want this issue to go away...its a huge money maker for them if wolves stay listed and under federal control in Wyoming.
I put the blame where it rightfully belongs...
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Lloyd there was an establish pack of wolves in the thorofare.
Harju's incompetance and lack of evidence gathering and presentation of that evidence, allowed the imported wolves to be transplanted on top of that subspecies.
Had Harju of did his job, the mere documented presence of that established pack of wolves would of been enough under the FWS's own guidelines to stop the transplanting of those Canadian Wolves.
Harriet Hageman also won the decision in Federal court this past year that caused the FWS to finally uphold their original agreement.
Also you seem to be oblivious to the fact that the delisting of the grey wolf in Wyoming has been published in the federal register, and that after the legislature signs off on the agreement in about a month, this thing is pretty much over with, unless the lawsuits begin to fly, and hand picked federal judges decide they can try and overrule Johnsons ruling.
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Wrong...but thanks for the misinformation.
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What was wrong? Or are you just refusing to believe that the wolf agreement is a done deal except for the legislature ratifying it?
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First of all it still needs to be ratified...you're running a huge assumption there chief. Wyoming is taking a huge risk beind tied in with the Great Lakes.
Secondly, even if it is ratified, with this news today, best case is YEARS of litigation. I'm sure SFW and BGF...along with their wolf lover buddies, were dancing in the streets. This is a good deal for those on the wolf gravy train...SFW and BGF can continue to claim, "if we just get your money...we'll fix this wolf issue". The anti's just thoroughly enjoy it being tied up in court.
Wyoming had their chance...and blew it. Montana and Idaho have been in the right on this issue all along. They have control and Wyoming has nothing.
Montana and Idaho hunters are having successful wolf seasons and Wyoming hunters are not.
You just keep believing that Wyoming is doing the right thing...meanwhile MY PUBLIC WILDLIFE is taking a pounding due to the arrogance of WWC and their chronies.
Cut BGF and WWC another check...they'll do whats best.
By the way, your frontier bullchit regarding a single pack of wolves in the thorofare is a joke. I want to see some documentation for starters...and you will NEVER provide that, mainly because its not true. Secondly, a single pack or mating pair is not an established population...period.
Lastly, I'd like for you to provide a shred of evidence that even if a pack was established in the thorofare that it would have stopped reintroduction. If that was true...than why did reintroduction happen with established, confirmed, and documented packs already living in Western Montana in Ninemile, the Flathead, and the Rocky Mountain Front? Its all the same reintroductiong effort...remember?
Be careful with your answers...I have the facts, that never seem to get in the way of your gibberish.
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Yes the pack of wolves in the thorofare is true, Harju knows it to be true, but I suspect he's to chickenshit to weigh back in here and confirm it. There was a picture of the wolf that was shot in the Wyoming Wildlife and a scathing rebuke by Harju about how people shouldn't be doing that.
If you had half the facts you thought you do, you'ld have the picture of that guy with the dead pinto colored wolf shot in the burn not far from camp monaco....
There's not much reason to think the legislature won't ratify the agreement. There maybe some real grousing about the cost of the funding, but I suspect by March we'll be legally shooting wolves.
Sorry boy but there's alot more at stake on this wolf thing than your "public" wildlife.
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As usual...no facts from you.
More fuzzy pictures...sounds akin to bigfoot and ufo's.
laffin'...
You didnt answer the question either...if a confirmed wolf or two would have forced the USFWS to use the "FWS's own guidelines to stop the transplanting of those Canadian Wolves."...then...
Why didnt the confirmed and established populations in Montana not stop it? Remember there sport, ALL three states were involved in the reintroduction.
Fact is, there was NOTHING in the wolf reintroduction EIS or EA that said anything regarding reintroduction being stopped if Montana, Idaho, or Wyoming had a confirmed pack...or even population.
Confirmed wolf populations were present in Montana many years prior to 1994.
You dont have even the slightest clue about this issue and thats more than plain to see.
You think theres no reason to believe they wont ratify the delisting???...yeah, I bet not many believed what happened today would take place either...funny how that works.
I'll take your bet that Wyoming will be shooting wolves by March...whats the wager? Just be careful its not more than you care to lose...because you surely will.
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Oh Lloyd are things that bad in Ogden tonite?
I'll stand by my guess as to the legislature rafifying the agreement. I'll stand by the guess there's going to be a big fight in the capitol about the funding of the thing, but in the end there'll be legal wolf shooting in Wyoming.
The fly in the ointment will likely be a lawsuit filed by some wolf lover group.
Oh and the pictures weren't fuzzy. The USFWS wanted the US Attorney to file charges, to which he replied if I file charges then you'll have to testify that wolfs aren't extinct in Wyoming.
That US attorney later went on to become the governor of this state and served two terms fighting with the feds to keep their original promises....
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...and how did that work out for him?
By the way, I live in Laramie.
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He must of figured it wasn't to bad, he gave serious consideration to challenging the term limits...
Yeh right,, Laramie not Ogden... wink wink, funny thing about those forest service phone directry's
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Ranch13, wolves were living right on the outskirts of Missoula Montana when the re-intro took place. It's well documented. Now as far as any illegal re-intro, goes, it's kinda a mute point seeing how we had colonies moving south all the time. Those wolves BTW would have received full protections under the ESA, because they would have never had the "Non-essential, experimental" status that gave USWS the latitude to heavily manage the wolf. More than likely we would have had way more wolves without the introduction taking place.
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