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Any in the hunting crowd here that uses the Nagant for an all around big game hunting rifle.
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checkout rocksolidind.com they have some very nice setups and rifles.
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Not yet, comrade.
Now that Timney makes a trigger (with a safety!) for these, and there's products to mount a scope and get bolt clearance, it could be turned into a hunting rifle. My Polish carbine puts 3 shots in 2" at 100 yards with issue iron sights and S&B 180 gr round nose ammo. The cartridge has power between a .308 and .30-06.
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checkout rocksolidind.com they have some very nice setups and rifles. Thank you very much.
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Not yet, comrade.
Now that Timney makes a trigger (with a safety!) for these, and there's products to mount a scope and get bolt clearance, it could be turned into a hunting rifle. My Polish carbine puts 3 shots in 2" at 100 yards with issue iron sights and S&B 180 gr round nose ammo. The cartridge has power between a .308 and .30-06. Check out a Finnish M-39 rifle, well built. 300 meters with open sight and 147gr.surplus FMJ ammo, that is all I hunt with. Shot placement is key using a FMJ or SP.
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funny,,you mention this,, i bought 2 m44 recently,, and have a 90/31 yr 1931 that is in perfect shape,, the m44s shoot 2-3 inches groups at 50yards , and the 90/31 shoots 2-3 inches groups at 75yards,,didnt have a place to test 100 yards todate,, and i havent touched them up to try to get better groups yet,, any of these guns as/is would be a good deer gun to 100yards ,, with some touch up work 150yards,,thats my thinking,, and no i havent used them in this capacity yet! nagants is becoming a topic around gun people !
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The m38 and m44 kick a bit more than the 90/31. Since most of the 8mm ammo has dried up the nagants have taken there place for a cheap surplus rifles, ammo. The good thing about the 7.62x54 is many countries still use that round and mfg it. You may see extra surplus ammo if the mess in the middle east slows down. Here is a great site on surplus rifles. http://forums.gunboards.com/index.php
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My 16 year old sure likes his. It was a "sporterized" issue rifle.
I obtained a neat sporter semi inlet from Great American Stocks and installed it on the issue barreled action. Kid can regularly hit the 300 yard steel with issue sights. You could do a lot worse for an all round rifle, especially if your eyes are
still good enough to use iron sights. A good replacement trigger & safety would be a major improvement.
He shoots this more than his Browning Sako Safari .243.
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I've hunted a little with mine, but haven't connected yet. I got lucky and found a load that mine shoots well... ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/engrtobe/MosinNagant-1.jpg)
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Nice shooting deerwhacker. What distance?
Do you mind sharing your load. I have a 91/30 that's really showing some promise.
I'm also gathering parts to build a 6.5 Vostok. The Soviets used this round to win the biathalon in the 76 winter olimpic games.
It's simply the 7.62x54R necked down to 6.5 with no other changes. A 6.5x54R
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99 bucks for one is not bad.
It would make a great hog gun.
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Or truck/tractor/motorcycle/trunk/throwaway rifle.
LOVE God, LOVE your family, LOVE your country, LIKE guns and sports.
About 2016 team "R" candidates "We definitely need a crew with a sack of balls the size of hot water bottles, bloviated estrogen leaking feel-gooders need not apply." Gunner 500
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only thing I didnt like about the moisin action was there is no provision to handle escaping gas in the event of a case rupture.A case failure that would easily be handled by a mauser,or most other bolt actions,could result in a nasty accident .
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I have a pretty good collection of Mosin Nagants, including Finns, M38, M44 M93/30 and Some variations.
They will shoot. The cocking piece safety works well with proper technique.
Bolt and trigger function can be greatly improved in about 10 minutes. Cut 2-3 coils off the firing pin spring, they were designed to ignite Russian primers at 40 below zero. The trigger can be improved by adding thin spacers under the screw that holds the flat spring.
Accuracy can be dealt with using the same methods a Soviet or Finn armorer would have a hundred years ago.
1.relieve any binding of barrel in the full length forearm.
2. cut a strip felt 1/2" wide, soak with oil, wrap barrel under forearm as needed to "tune" barrel.
3. Shim action with oil soaked card stock or cut brass shim stock to fit.
4. duh! check the crown.
I literally bought and sold crates of these rifles with my C&R license, while building my collection. You would not believe some of the mods made to some of these rifles.
I even got one once that had a fitting on the front of the chamber for copper crush caps, a test rifle. Re armored and stuck in a crate of WWII rebuilds.
I had one that had an empty case in the chamber, the case head was pulled off.
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The more I shoot surplus bolt action rifles the more I like them. Besides being relatively inexpensive they balance well, handle abuse a lot of sporters won't and are usually as accurate with iron sights as I can hold them or any other iron sighted rifle.
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Much better gun than the 770REm
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I just cant get used to the safety on a Mosin Nagant.
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Well the Red Army tore the guts out off 3/4 of the German Army using the Mosin-Nagant as their infantry rifle. And the Red Army used scoped Mosin's to great effect.
So my guess is a Mosin-Nagant could make a decent deer rifle...
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Some results for the Mosin Nagant range day, 75 Yards, All groups were about 1inch or less. My scope kept working Loose  7.62x54RIMR 7828 SSC 55grains Norma Brass bullet: Hornady SP 150g .312 Primer-Win LR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2410fps ES-13 SD-6 IMR 4320: 46grains Lapua Brass bullet: Hornady SP 150g .312 Primer-CCI BR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2519fps ES-24 SD-8 IMR 4320: 47grains Lapua Brass bullet: Hornady SP 150g .312 Primer-CCI BR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2573fps ES-9 SD-3 IMR 4320: 48grains Lapua Brass bullet: Hornady SP 150g .312 Primer-CCI BR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2654fps ES-16 SD-5 IMR 4320: 48.5grains Lapua Brass bullet: Hornady SP 150g .312 Primer-CCI BR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2680fps ES-38 SD-13 IMR 4320: 49grains Lapua Brass bullet: Hornady SP 150g .312 Primer-CCI BR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2726fps ES-16 SD-9 Just for fun I tryed a full case of Blackhorn209: BH209: 39grains Lapua Brass bullet: Hornady RN 175g .312 Primer-Win LR Firm Lee Crimp 3 shot average: 1911fps ES-8 SD-4 CAUTION: This post discusses loads or load data that may or may not be appropriate for your gun or for the cartridge(s) and components mentioned. Due to typos, variations in guns and components, and the abilities and judgement of users of this data, neither the writer, 24hourcampfire.com, nor the staff of 24hourcampfire.com assume any liability for damage or injury resulting from using this information. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DUPLICATE THE DESCRIBED LOADS without first working them up from a published safe starting level charge while watching for pressure signs. If you don't know how to do that please don't use this data, for your own safety and the safety of others.
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Round #2 results: For the Mosin Nagant range day, 100 Yards, Very Windy!! Knocked my crono over 3 times--it was anchored with a 1-gallon bottle  Just working with 2 bullets; Hornady 150g SP and the 174g RN. Both are the .312 diameter, seated to the cannalures and crimped with Lee fact Crimp-Firm Fixed my scope issues, using 2-6X32 Simmons Pistol scope, mounted with one of these scope mounts--(Not My actual rifle,) but this is how i did mine also  ![[Linked Image]](http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/doctilde/Mosin%20Scope/mosinscope-7.jpg) 7.62x54RIMR 7828 SSC 56grains Compressed Norma Brass bullet: Hornady RN 174g .312 Primer-Win LR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2483fps ES-23 SD-8 Group 1.75 IMR 4320: 50grains Norma Brass bullet: Hornady SP 150g .312 Primer-Win LR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2730fps .75 Group ES-? SD-? IMR 4320: 51grains Norma Brass bullet: Hornady SP 150g .312 Primer-Win LR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2875fps ES-19 SD-9 IMR 4320: 51.5 grains Norma Brass bullet: Hornady SP 150g .312 Primer-Win LR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2908fps ES-19 SD-7 Group 1.5 IMR 4320: 48grains Norma Brass Bullet: Hornady RN 174g .312 Primer-Win LR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2588 fps ES-16 SD-5 Group 1.0 IMR 4320: 48.5 grains Norma Brass Bullet: Hornady RN 174g .312 Primer-Win LR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2631 fps ES-16 SD-7 Group 1.75 IMR 4320: 49 grains Norma Brass Bullet: Hornady RN 174g .312 Primer-Win LR Firm Lee Crimp 5 shot average: 2659 fps ES-16 SD-8 Group .70 I am Very satisfied with IMR4320!! I could have pushed both ending loads a little more, but will stop with these: 150g SP and 51.5grains of powder=2900FPS 174g RN and 49grains of powder=2650fps These are very close to max loads, and are WAY Minute Of a Deer Next up will be 52-55grains IMR4320 and 100g 32cal Pistol Bullets  CAUTION: This post discusses loads or load data that may or may not be appropriate for your gun or for the cartridge(s) and components mentioned. Due to typos, variations in guns and components, and the abilities and judgement of users of this data, neither the writer, 24hourcampfire.com, nor the staff of 24hourcampfire.com assume any liability for damage or injury resulting from using this information. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DUPLICATE THE DESCRIBED LOADS without first working them up from a published safe starting level charge while watching for pressure signs. If you don't know how to do that, please don't try, for your own safety and the safety of others.
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