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I noted your post elsewhere reference to tenacity/hardness of BP fouling with SWISS. There was a reference to GOEX forming a softer fouling. Care to elaborate?

The Early days of this game were graced with a very good grade of Goex, Of which remaining samples are saved, for special events, big matches,etc. Guys talk in reverant hushed tones of ' 93 cartridge grade, as though Napolean brandy ,or rare Cuban Cigars were the subject matter.

In 2002, September we glommed on to a lot ( FFG) dated july, same year............amazing stuff, as with most Goex, it loved compression, had strong energy, and a real soft fluffy, and very hygroscopic fouling.

Downside of the deal is that subsequent lots were weak in energy, and with every fresh case, you needed to do a $hitload of testing, and load development..........
Some says it's the charcoal, some says it's the phase of the moon......dunno.

I was a really staunch die hard " shoot American powder" type.............................Until I became hard pressed to meet velocity requirements for Creedmoor, and saw the tight data over a chrony that the Swiss would yield. And ENERGY....
more energy, in a tighter " velocity window" sense, than anything else we've tried.

Got GREAT reports on a recent batch of FFG Goex, and intend to glom a case, if any of that lot remains..........

The high energy provided by Swiss is not without it's price.........here in the ultimate testbed for bullet lubes, and fouling control techniques........Blowtube,.....wipe every shot with a moist patch,..........wipe every shot with a dripping wet patch,.............cotton patch, rag fiber arsenal patch, .......which concoction.................anti freeze / water, .....Murhpy's and water, .........unholy concoctions,...........and those that would warm the cockles of a good organic hippy's heart.............choices??
Did'nt go into bore to jag fit up, and patch optimums....
The anti freeze / water deal flat out sucks. Nasty stuff to be handling, and rubbing on the rifle. The murphy's and water ain't bad.....ran well in a very hot / dry in Tucson, 3 days back.
Week before , I went organic hippy, and blended Bath and Bodyworks Shea butter....( the Mango peach variety, a new fragrance) with water......THAT WORKED, but patching a 35" .45-2.6" barrel ran me out of wet.......I was running a roller, and those actions are not user friendly to having large volumes of potion-lotion, or soapy water, or any other kinda wet crap drizzled into the triggers, and bedding. Guy's I'm going to caution you in the strongest terms about Prestone/ water...and your stocks.........it's murder, and if it soaks in, really softens the wood.

Dinner is hittin' the table ......back soon, or later , or whenever, ..................GTC

This is what I've gotten so far, on fouling..........using this new
( to me anyway) wipe every shot bit.

* When I blow tubed, the rifle cleaned up quick, between relays and at the end of a shoot.......
-3 patches Windex w' vinegar...50/50water, coupla patches dry, and than, coupla bore Butter( TC 1000)....put the sucker in the corner..............No problem with ANY leading. None.
This is predicated on a rather "short " 28" barrel, Badger, 1 in 18', with somewheres around 8-9000 rounds down it.
Any powder, cheap, expensive , good, or hopelessly mediocre, would clean up, as described above. I should mention that nothing exotic in the way of bullet design, or lube was aplied. A 5 groove Leeth " Gordon" bullet has been my choice, particularly out here.........the thing carries oodles of grease.

Wiping every shot......................Not an easy, or particularly equipment friendly stunt, Rollers, highwalls, and to some extent the 44 1/2 take on water/wipe solution, into the guts, and bedding. I really enjoyed running the side hammer '74, like this though, all the crap just runs down, and falls out the bottom.
We're going to see some comment on " bore pigs", and their runnin' buddies....."Bore Dawgs", and pretty quick, I reckon....many good reports abound, and testimonials ring loud, long and triumphant..........................I reckon someone should report, as to their efficacy, ....haven't tried 'em( sounds like an awful lot of work)

Okay, down to business, on wiping every shot.....I'm finding that my barrel is leading ( with same alloy ), but not that soldered on horror stuff, just flakes. Accuracy is as good, or perhaps a bit better...............and shot to shot point of impact changes , due to " dry out", after blowtubing, seem to have vanished. " Sixth shot effect" doesn't seem to be as noticable. I actually find more time to set up shots, stay way ahead of the clock, and watch conditions, doing it this way.
The barrel seems to take forever to clean, after a 45-50 rounder.........And that's about BP fouling. Black patches, and that's something I didn't have before.
I'm not complaining, and will run this wiping between shots through the coming winter, an don into the summer. in Winter AZ. match climate , it won't be hard to miss the blow-tube, I've run 45-60 rounds without cleaning with a nice black greasy and perfectly shootable fouling..........but the summer is another story entirely, .........that's what I've got for now, and I hope some other characters will pipe up, and opine.

One nice thing about the Murphy's oil soap / water bit.........at the end of a match, ya' smell like someone farting, in a church ...........................with the prestone and water, like someone fartin' in a garage,....................
Don't know what to say about the mango-peach butter........not really my department.
The stuff did work, and it's foodgrade,............And it wasn't all sticky and rank, either.

GTC

As usual, you are a wealth of information. I read through your posts twice and didn't see this, so, what % of Murphy's oil and water you using? And, are you usung a damp patch followed br a dry patch or what... and, did you settle in a fixed (non-rotating) rod with a loose fit?
For those who don't know, using a wad of Bronze Wool flattened out and put over a jag will make quick work of common lead fouling!
Elsewhere I commented on the Bore Pigs use in my rifle, which was not successful. I failed to take in to account BP Brand, and humidity/temperature. I can see how such things could possibly have an effect on, or even reverse such conclusions <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

idahjo,
Thanks for the invite.

On the subject of bore dogs pigs ect. I went full bore with them this year in July at my anual match. They worked well for me, others my buddy Tony Nielson was testing them, and had leading issues. So i upped the amount of murphy's oil soap in my bore dawg juice 3 parts oil soap to 1 part water. This seems to have kept leading to just a few flakes. I also use a dry patch behind, the wet bore dog, as a wet barrel seemed to lead worse. It worked well for me at my match and at Raton and also at the sagebrush 1000 yarder. This of course was in my 45-110. And the 74 action lends it self well to the bore dogs.

As for time, its some time to clean em and pick them up, no worse then picking up patches, but they are as fast if not faster then blowing in real hot weather.

I drop them in a wide mouth jug fill that with 25% murphy's oil soap and 75% water and shake the hell out of the jug pour off the rinse water and drop them back in my cartridge holder that we use full of the premention bore dog juice.

I shot master class scores the second day at Creedmoor, first day scope issues had nothing to do with the dogs. It was hot and dry at my match 104 and 7% humidity and they worked very well when I shot the bench rest match. Alliance was the same thing, and i won the scope class there.

Kenny Wasserburger

[Quote]"I shot master class scores the second day at Creedmoor, first day scope issues had nothing to do with the dogs. It was hot and dry at my match 104 and 7% humidity and they worked very well when I shot the bench rest match. Alliance was the same thing, and i won the scope class there." Congratulations on that!

Q-Were you using SWISS, or what? Appears to me that the particular BP brand must have a real bearing on the between-shot methods... I assume your "bore dogs pigs" were the units sold as the "bore Pigs"?

Thanks Kenny

Powder used is Goex 1F. 108.5 grs with a Neilson Monogrove Creedmoor style bullet. Sort of a NASA3. Shorter. Weighs 525gs.

My Bore Dawgs are a Wyoming invention made by Jim Terry of Rawlins WY, different then the bore pigs much longer, use delrin and O rings on the rear no brillo pads on the end.

Kenny Wasserburger

Then water/liquid is whatever is residual on the brush?
I shoot 1885's and Ballards, so have to watch out for 'run-off' raising hell with the wood and innards <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Hey Kenny, welcome to the fire! Coffee break here, and it's good to hear some familiar voices ......congrats on that good shootin', but then, I expected no less.

If there's a good lot of FFG Goex runnin', and avail., I need to know...................I'd really rather buy "Merican.....anyone got the word on what possible havoc Katrina wrought on la. goex plant ??

Work Safe, GTC