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It's a bit odd how many here selectively choose which parts of capitalsim they decide to defend.
I have no real love for private unions but it is a bit annoying watching the same players who lambast their pay go to such lengths defended those at the top of the corporate world using the most flimsy of reasoning to differentiate between the two. Have you ever worked with a union before?
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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No.
Nor have I ever worked with the CEO of a fortune 500 company making $50+ million a year.
However a person makes the most they can is fine by me and I find it extremely disingenuous when folks try to defend one while vilifying the other.
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It's a bit odd how many here selectively choose which parts of capitalsim they decide to defend.
I have no real love for private unions but it is a bit annoying watching the same players who lambast their pay go to such lengths defended those at the top of the corporate world using the most flimsy of reasoning to differentiate between the two. Have you ever worked with a union before? I have. What do you want to know ?
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It's a bit odd how many here selectively choose which parts of capitalsim they decide to defend.
I have no real love for private unions but it is a bit annoying watching the same players who lambast their pay go to such lengths defended those at the top of the corporate world using the most flimsy of reasoning to differentiate between the two. Have you ever worked with a union before? I have. What do you want to know ? Why do you believe in Socialism so much?
"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787)
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<---Wonders how many of those railing against it would turn down one of them thar CEO jobs were it offered.
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It's a bit odd how many here selectively choose which parts of capitalsim they decide to defend.
I have no real love for private unions but it is a bit annoying watching the same players who lambast their pay go to such lengths defended those at the top of the corporate world using the most flimsy of reasoning to differentiate between the two. Have you ever worked with a union before? I have. What do you want to know ? Why do you believe in Socialism so much? I don't know that I do believe in socialism. I do know I don't believe AT ALL in the "good 'ol boy's staus quo" club either.
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Ill tell ya,...some people will defend to the death the right of a single person making $50+ Million but they make no bones about their contempt of a group of folks making $30 an hour.
If people don't care what a CEO makes, why all the concern about what a group of workers bargaining together makes?
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I have worked with unions - i have to do it everyday. I hate it. I also work with big corporate management and many of my friends have gone into big finance. They are both cancers - even the guys in finance think it is a cancer. The fact that unions are bad doesn't make big corporate management and finance better.
We have to stop being drawn into the arguement it is either/or. They are both part of the problem. But if you have a look, the unions in the US are far less powerful than they are in many of the countries that are ourperforming us. And the unions are less powerful now than they have ever been. In fact the unions were often very powerful at times when america has been very wealthy. I am not saying they are a good thing, but i am saying they are not THE problem at the moment. THE problem at the moment is parts of big corporate culture. Both need to be dealt with.
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Ill tell ya,...some people will defend to the death the right of a single person making $50+ Million but they make no bones about their contempt of a group of folks making $30 an hour.
If people don't care what a CEO makes, why all the concern about what a group of workes bargaining together makes? They ask those making 50+ Mil a year for a job....not (with the backing of .gov) demand they pay. How hard is it? You are making this CO primary voter...decide RP is not the best vote of my Primary...if you are representative of RP with the whole Union Idea.
"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787)
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I have worked with unions - i have to do it everyday. I hate it. I also work with big corporate management and many of my friends have gone into big finance. They are both cancers - even the guys in finance think it is a cancer. The fact that unions are bad doesn't make big corporate management and finance better.
We have to stop being drawn into the arguement it is either/or. They are both part of the problem. But if you have a look, the unions in the US are far less powerful than they are in many of the countries that are ourperforming us. And the unions are less powerful now than they have ever been. In fact the unions were often very powerful at times when america has been very wealthy. I am not saying they are a good thing, but i am saying they are not THE problem at the moment. THE problem at the moment is parts of big corporate culture. Both need to be dealt with. Why do you worry what others are paid? Inadequate? No education?....No work ethic? What is it that you concern yourself with what others make? I only care what I make....If I want to make more...I make myself more valuable. I better myself. If I come to the realization that my job can be performed by a monkey...I...."I" ...fix it.
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That's up to you.
I believe workers have a right to assemble(private sector) and make as much as they can with the caveat that they do it without government interference. I also support the idea a person in this country can make as much money as someone else is willing to pay them. Wether that's $10 an hour or $1 Billion a year, I don't care.
Free Markets should decide.
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That's up to you.
I believe workers have a right to assemble(private sector) and make as much as they can with the caveat that they do it without government interference. I also support the idea a person in this country can make as much money as someone else is willing to pay them. Wether that's $10 an hour or $1 Billion a year, I don't care.
Free Markets should decide. That is not what you have been saying. So you agree my right as an employer...I can fire anyone for any reason? See if Blackie thinks the same as you? Doubt y'all will be +1'ing each other so much.
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As an ardent capitalist I don't think most CEOs should be paid as well as they are. Most are easily replaceable, so their abilities don't justify they wage. The shareholders therefore are being fleeced because that money should be going to them.
I hate unions too, mostly because my family is about to be sunk financially by the union contract hanging around our necks.
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That is not what you have been saying.
So you agree my right as an employer...I can fire anyone for any reason? See if Blackie thinks the same as you? .....
I might not have been clear but that's exactly what I intended to say. And I support any small business owner's right to fire any employee for any reason. I could see some needs for protections for larger companies but probably only a fraction of all the crap that's out there now.
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It's a bit odd how many here selectively choose which parts of capitalsim they decide to defend.
I have no real love for private unions but it is a bit annoying watching the same players who lambast their pay go to such lengths defended those at the top of the corporate world using the most flimsy of reasoning to differentiate between the two. Have you ever worked with a union before? I have. What do you want to know ? Nothing from you. I worked with a UAW union for 12 years. My first thought on my first day was, "Oh my goodness....these idiots are raising children!" the rank and file were ok for the most part. The stewards and leadership were lazy do-nothings. That told me all I needed to know about blue collar unions. I also negotiated a contract with a community college union. Good people and reasonable. A completely different experience. In another job I worked with a Steamfitters union. The guys who worked for us actually worked for the union. The owner liked it that way as he could call the hall and tell them to contact so and so and tell him to stay home, he wasn't needed. A huge price to pay for not having to fire someone, I thought. I found it interesting in that experience to find that officers of the union received triple benefits. Talk about fleecing the fleecers!
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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I am always amazed at the angst against CEO's when these same critics have little to say against athletes and entertainers earning multi millions a year for simple entertainment.
It is a free market at work. If there were no market for their services there would be no exorbitant salaries.
No one begrudges the 21 year old multimillionaire ball player with the new Porsche and mansion. It's just those CEOs that are evil.
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That is not what you have been saying.
So you agree my right as an employer...I can fire anyone for any reason? See if Blackie thinks the same as you? .....
I might not have been clear but that's exactly what I intended to say. And I support any small business owner's right to fire any employee for any reason. I could see some needs for protections for larger companies but probably only a fraction of all the crap that's out there now. There are alot of large privately owned companies. Now if you are against .gov subsidized co's getting insane salaries/bonuses...I am with you. I said that earlier...if you fail...you fail. If some private person/persons/board....pays you and approves your bonuses....you are making what the market demands. Good for you. If .gov steps in and says you cannot make that despite private citizens that say you can...And you think that is AOK...welll...don't vote for RP.
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I am always amazed at the angst against CEO's when these same critics have little to say against athletes and entertainers earning multi millions a year for simple entertainment.
It is a free market at work. If there were no market for their services there would be no exorbitant salaries.
No one begrudges the 21 year old multimillionaire ball player with the new Porsche and mansion. It's just those CEOs that are evil. Yeah...but....I routed for them when I got my GED...Dammit!!!!
"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787)
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That's up to you.
I believe workers have a right to assemble(private sector) and make as much as they can with the caveat that they do it without government interference. I also support the idea a person in this country can make as much money as someone else is willing to pay them. Wether that's $10 an hour or $1 Billion a year, I don't care.
Free Markets should decide. That is not what you have been saying. So you agree my right as an employer...I can fire anyone for any reason? See if Blackie thinks the same as you? Doubt y'all will be +1'ing each other so much. Boy you sure think you know alot about me don't you, you fat douchebag ?
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That's up to you.
I believe workers have a right to assemble(private sector) and make as much as they can with the caveat that they do it without government interference. I also support the idea a person in this country can make as much money as someone else is willing to pay them. Wether that's $10 an hour or $1 Billion a year, I don't care.
Free Markets should decide. That is not what you have been saying. So you agree my right as an employer...I can fire anyone for any reason? See if Blackie thinks the same as you? Doubt y'all will be +1'ing each other so much. Boy you sure think you know alot about me don't you, you fat douchebag ? I quoted rrroae...you f'in retard...reading and comprehension aint your thing i am guessin...union and all...but thought you would have at least the intelligence of a porch monkey...gave you too much credit...guessin
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