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338 WM necked down, hold the fluff..... 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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338 WM necked down, hold the fluff..... +1 Thats my favorite 7mm wildcat......
happiness is elbow deep in elk guts.
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475 head of game, I'd say that's a few arks... 
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I read Dr. Pages stuff as a teen and that is why I built my Mashburn. Warren wrote in a style that speaks to my heart much more than Cactus Jack.
He died without the reader reputation/love that Jack gets and that is a real shame but the Mashburn lives on !!!!!! God Bless Warren Page where ever he may be.
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I didn't know Warren but did know Hagel and that's why built mine. Been thru 3 tubes so far and hope to roast many mo b4 my time in the hills is over.
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Page got this rifle very early in his career�1949 or so. He called it �Old Betsy,� and used only one handload for everything, a 175-grain Nosler semi-spitzer bullet at 3,050 fps This was before the 300 Win mag, so what case did Page use for the S-Mashburn in 1949.
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He used the H&H trimmed down, once the 300 WM came out (62) then they used it.
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338 WM necked down, hold the fluff..... +1 Thats my favorite 7mm wildcat...... Yeah, I went that way for a long time.....still one of my favorites. Close, but it ain't a Mashburn....
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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338 WM necked down, hold the fluff..... +1 Thats my favorite 7mm wildcat...... Yeah, I went that way for a long time.....still one of my favorites. Close, but it ain't a Mashburn.... What can an Mashburn kill that a 7mm Wby or Rem can't? Seem like alot of extra work and more expense for little gain. 
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338 WM necked down, hold the fluff..... +1 Thats my favorite 7mm wildcat...... Yeah, I went that way for a long time.....still one of my favorites. Close, but it ain't a Mashburn.... What can an Mashburn kill that a 7mm Wby or Rem can't? Seem like alot of extra work and more expense for little gain. joe IIRC you stay at home and shoot elk at long distances from the house with a blown out 270 magnum of some sort....so I guess I could ask you the same question(?) No? 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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joecool544, for me the 7mm Mashburn Super offers three things: (1) significant Panache cool factor (2) optimal ballistic and terminal performance given a set of design criteria, performance parameters, available components, and reloading concerns (3)a possible Holy Grail to my never-ended quest for the "perfect cartridge" I agree the on-game performance of a 7RM or 7Wby would be indistinguishable, but that is not one of my criteria.
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I spose in the real world not much, but then again if I wanted to look at it that was I'd use a 06 and a 168 or 180 and have a 22 LR and a 12 gauge....grin
To me, it's not so much about what else it will do but I just plain like it and want it so I use it. 4 me, it's the extra work of making the cases is of no big deal. Think the last time I did 50 virgin cases it took 8 minutes, I can't even cook a pizza in that time. Then I had to take the time to fire form them, and they shoot MOA to 500 so it's all good practice for me.
The Mash takes me speed wise places I can't go with the 7 RM, the Wby is surely in the arena but has none of the Panache for me that the Wby or RM has. And for me that's kind of important.
Plus, I got to know Hagel a bit so for me I enjoy using the round as I know that Bob used it. Good enough for me.
Long and the short people should use it if they wish, don't if it doesn't make sense to them and hit the hill and hunt hard the rest of the time.
Bottom line, this stuff is just fun for me, if I wanted to be reasonable about it like I said there's other ways to do it. Bout the time I worry about the extra expense of a set of dies that I paid more for than I would of another set of dies I'll start doing all my hunting at the grocery store.
I don't dick with a lot of different guns, I don't buy new guns every year. I have a few old favs that I run the hell out of. My 700 Mash is ready for it's 9th tube. I like the gun, I'm intimate with it and I can get things done with it in an ok manner. So 4 me, it works.
Gotta run, you all have a good day!
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(Joe, you run a 7 Allen?)
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joe IIRC you stay at home and shoot elk at long distances from the house with a blown out 270 magnum of some sort....so I guess I could ask you the same question(?) No? Oh no Bob you just didn't say that did you  Now don't be jealous cause I have my own place to hunt. Hell yeah I shoot them from the front porch (you and every body else would do the same thing if you had such a place) with many different things. But if I'm going to all the work that the Mashburn take I would go for much bigger gains like the 7mm Allen.
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I spose in the real world not much, but then again if I wanted to look at it that was I'd use a 06 and a 168 or 180 and have a 22 LR and a 12 gauge....grin
To me, it's not so much about what else it will do but I just plain like it and want it so I use it. 4 me, it's the extra work of making the cases is of no big deal. Think the last time I did 50 virgin cases it took 8 minutes, I can't even cook a pizza in that time. Then I had to take the time to fire form them, and they shoot MOA to 500 so it's all good practice for me.
The Mash takes me speed wise places I can't go with the 7 RM, the Wby is surely in the arena but has none of the Panache for me that the Wby or RM has. And for me that's kind of important.
Plus, I got to know Hagel a bit so for me I enjoy using the round as I know that Bob used it. Good enough for me.
Long and the short people should use it if they wish, don't if it doesn't make sense to them and hit the hill and hunt hard the rest of the time.
Bottom line, this stuff is just fun for me, if I wanted to be reasonable about it like I said there's other ways to do it. Bout the time I worry about the extra expense of a set of dies that I paid more for than I would of another set of dies I'll start doing all my hunting at the grocery store.
I don't dick with a lot of different guns, I don't buy new guns every year. I have a few old favs that I run the hell out of. My 700 Mash is ready for it's 9th tube. I like the gun, I'm intimate with it and I can get things done with it in an ok manner. So 4 me, it works.
Gotta run, you all have a good day!
Dober
(Joe, you run a 7 Allen?) Good post Mark not much a guy can't kill with the old 06 No I don't have a 7mm Allen I do have a 7mm REM and 7mm Wby having a 708 and a 7mm wsm built right now.
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Unless you're getting the good guy deal I'm guessing that tween your 7 RM, your Wby, and the 7/08 and the WSM you're probable spending a bit more than I did for my one set of Mash dies. But, I could be wrong as I've been so many times b4 and have no doubt I will be again....grin
I wouldn't mind doing a 7WSM on my lil 70/Edge platform, may get to it once this dang economy settles around a bit.
Thinking the only reason I don't just run an 06 is cause everyone member of my family from top to bottom did while I was getting older (note I didn't say growing up as I've always believed that growing older is inevitable but growing up is optional...grin). So, I ran a 270 and every other thing just to be different. Guessing that might just have something to do with the reason I run a Mashburn.
Dober
(side note Joe, do you get much for white your way in the winter?)
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joe IIRC you stay at home and shoot elk at long distances from the house with a blown out 270 magnum of some sort....so I guess I could ask you the same question(?) No? Oh no Bob you just didn't say that did you Now don't be jealous cause I have my own place to hunt. Hell yeah I shoot them from the front porch (you and every body else would do the same thing if you had such a place) with many different things. But if I'm going to all the work that the Mashburn take I would go for much bigger gains like the 7mm Allen. Joe wasn't knocking it....I just wanted to be sure I had the right guy! Didn't you have an Allen mag? A 270 of some sort? that's what I recall.... As to the gains,yes they can be small,but they are consistent, rifle to rifle....but you just get the velocity easier from it...since I am basically down to three BG calbers(Mashburn,270,and 375H&H)the time for loading is not a factor.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Yes Bob I have a 270 Allen, 338 Allen and a 338 ultra Maxx that is based off the 270 Allen.
The 270 Allen is very easy to load for just neck down the 7mm RUM and leave a false shoulder and shoot it. The bad part about it is wildcat bullets have dried up. Good part about it I guess is I bought a bunch of them when I guy could get them.
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