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A 4 page Hurt Feeler Report over a French Army joke?
The pussification of America is on schedule...
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Have you ever actually worked with the French? Out of all the european countries we overflew France was the worst! Dumb aze bassturds always thought we were spying on them. Not counting the fact they wouldn't allow the U.S. to build an airbase in their sacred country. 
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Yep. And what is all this post count stuff I hear folks muttering about????  One guy with multiple handles talking to himself.
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Did you hear about the mint condition WWII french rifle at ArmsList? It has never been fired but it was dropped once.
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sorry 'bout that there.......
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Great post herr Doktor, I totally agree. Anybody with a modicum of historical perspective know France produced some great brave soldiers. Hell at Verdun they suffered sixty THOUSAND casualties-IN ONE HOUR! and fought well. They were just not prepared for new tactics and technologies like at Sedan in 1870 and Blitzkreig in 1940, and yes their tanks were superior to the Germans at the time, their tactics sucked.
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A 4 page Hurt Feeler Report over a French Army joke?
The pussification of America is on schedule...
Group hug followed by a Kumbaya sing along will conclude todays sensitivity training.
Now this is well said ! Lighten up on the french toast crap
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A little known historical detail is that the Vikings were, for the most part, from the region now know as Denmark. In the Danish national museum in Copenhagen, there is a display related to a Viking invasion of Paris--they sailed in a thousand ships. The French surrendered immediately, and the Vikings were SO disappointed--all that boring sailing and not a good fight at the end.
At least that is the Danes' take on it.
So dinging on the French is neither new, nor restricted to Yanks.
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"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton "
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Want to thank you all friends. Don't worry! I will survive.
My father fought with the german army on eastern front, pushed by the russians he surrendered to Patton's army in Vienna. He always had respect for american soldiers, and remembered it was the first time he had something good to eat for three years. Then the french were looking soldiers, for him it was prisonner camp or war he choose war!
Going to Indochina to fight against japanese. The surrender of Japan turned them against the reds in what would be know as Viet Nam later. Then it was Algeria...I made my studies in military school and served a bit in a paratrooper unit (Lebanon). Was out for Desert Storm 1 but some of my friends were scouting for the Us Army (2eme Regiment Etranger) and went to the suburbs of Bagdad...
My grand father, mother side, fought in WW1 from 1925 to 1918 then was in all the french wars (Lebanon, Syria, Marocco, etc till 1940)
Normally i don't answer to "french jokes" but today was hard day and i was a bit upset.
Thank you again.
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Dom, Your input to this forum is greatly appreciated and so is your country's contribution to my country's independence. Many thanks. Expat
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French soldiers were good men, sure, but their leadership produced Vichy France.
I think French leadership really re-defined itself when it offered military assistance to repress the uprising in Tunisia this Spring, the day before the regime fell.
We may have the politicians we deserve, but, Mon Dieu, the French have it worse... JMO, Dutch.
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I have never been in combat so it would be silly for me to dump on the French. Some negative experienes though.... In the summer of 1975 I drove my VW microbus up the Gaspe Peninsula, spoke comprehensible French at that time (a few years later it was worse, but French-speaking West Africans understood me just fine), I got absolutely stonewalled by the Quebecois, left a sour impression. A few years later in Ghana, it was understood by all expats in-country, even tbe Japanese, that you ALWAYS picked up another expat waiting by the side of the highway. I followed the same rule when I happened to be at the wheel. The only ones who ignored that rule? The French. A few times I was standing by the side of the road waiting sometimes for hours for one of the infrequent buses. Along comes a landrover, who would invariably stop to offer you a lift... unless the writing on the vehicle was french  Birdwatcher
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Doc Rocket with that description of the General's lack of attributes, I thought you were talking about monty from some of the accounts, he likely got a lot of Americans hurt/killed
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French soldiers were good men, sure, but their leadership produced Vichy France.
I think French leadership really re-defined itself when it offered military assistance to repress the uprising in Tunisia this Spring, the day before the regime fell.
We may have the politicians we deserve, but, Mon Dieu, the French have it worse... JMO, Dutch. Vichy France was a DIRECT result of the absolute carnage of Verdun. Marshal Petain successfully commanded the French Troops and stopped the German offensive there at a cost that we just cannot fathom. The French lost 600,000 men in 6 months of that Battle from Hell. More than we lost in WWll. Petain never wanted to see France bled white again. NOTHING America ever experienced came anywhere close to Verdun and that battle alone accounts for a LOT of post WWl French military thinking. French Soldiers had balls so big they needed a wheelbarrow to carry them. Their "leaders" were pitiful.
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Not to detract from the gist of your thread and get bogged down in minutia but...as not much of a scholar of WWII, I find it amazing that the French had the biggest army at the beginning of that conflict. Seriously? They weren't more well-equipped than Germany surely? the French had a larger army and about equal numbers of tanks to the Germans in 1940. they, like the Brits, horribly mismanaged their armor, committing it piecemeal...in "penny packets" as the Brits called it, rather than concentrating their armor like the Germans did. French losses in the 45 days of the battle of France: - 330,000 losses (92,000-120,000 KIAs and 210,000-240,000 WIA/MIA) - 1,450,000 prisoners - 892 aircraft The French fought bravely for a while, but became demoralized by the German thrusts, and their domination of the air, and the political turmoil and incompetence of the generals. One need only look at what Napoleon accomplished with a peasant conscript army to see that Frenchmen can fight if they are properly equipped and competently led.
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Rome at one time was the greatest, most powerful nation the world had ever seen, but that couldn't stop it collapsing under the weight of its own depravity.
The French, OTOH, didn't even have the decency to collapse properly.
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I am long and slow regarding this conversation. I work for a company who deals with both French and German Aviation Products. I think one would be very shortsighted if one were to make such a determiniation.
Both the French and the Germans exhibited Courage. It is importantant to acknowledge that on both sides. Courage is Courage!!!!
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"In Paris they simply stared when I spoke to them in French; I never did succeed in making those idiots understand their language." Mark Twain
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