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and on the other side of the coin if we examine the BC of a 200 grain spitzer type bullet in 30 caliber what is to be gained in 100 fps or so of velocity in terms of downrange drop and energy?

sometimes this all seems like mental masturbation!

Come on now Bob, we all know a 300 WM will go 2,900

Well bluefish it isn't a question of the extra 100 fps(although a quick look at the Nosler manual will tell you we are looking at 200 to 270 fps more velocity if we assume that 2700 is all the velocity from a 30/06)which IS a difference that you will see on the range,and benefits to be derived at distance.See Mule Deer's comments on killing ability when the bullet is driven faster.....But a question of how easily one gets there.

It is pretty clear that 2700 fps is absolute max with the cartridge,but 2900 or a bit better is pretty "normal" in the larger 300 Win Mag case.

Reading this thread,it is clear that some are getting the velocity from a 24" barrel, but the question seems to rear its' head about how much pressure it is taking to "get there".

Since most pressure problems occur when we "reach" for that last 100 fps,even if we get it, we are rolling on the ragged edge...a place I don't like to operate because we get away with it most of the time,but a minor switch in components,or other issue and we are over the top.

I guess my approach would be in a 22" barrel with the 30/06 I would stick in that 2600 fps realm and be happy with what I had.....but if I wanted a 24" barreled rifle for the chore of pushing a 200 gr bullet for ultimate effect,it would be chambered for a 300 Win Mag. This would give me what I want (easily)in the same weight/length rifle,easily beat the 30/06 without a cold sweat,and give me peace of mind that I was not tampering on the ragged edge.

I know this because I have run the 200 from both the 300 Win and 300 Weatherby,and used the combo on elk.It works splendidly,and zeroed properly you ain't gonna need any dots or turrets until you are well past 400 yards.

I've always been comfortable getting 2,650-ish (+/-) with a 22" 30-06 and 200's...

Oh stop it!.....

My 30-06AI with a 22 inch bbl will just about hit 2800fps with 200gr Pt's--it's my fav load in that rifle. It's just that the rifle is lightweight, recoils more, and isn't necessary to kill critters at tough angles and most reasonable distances here in the Southern Rockies--my 270's will do that with aplomb.......

Casey

Brad I know! That's my point!See post above.

Its all about safe exploitation, performance upgrade if you will, wringing out anything to a sane max to test its capabilities is why were all here, its what a man does

Gunner

gunner I understand....comment withdrawn...

Continue!

NO NO Bob, you men please continue, i'm trying to learn something here i've already [learnt] my own mindless babble.

Gunner

One of my biggest concerns about using brass more than 5 or six times is case head separation, and that can be a time consuming matter to check for. The last thing I want is to be on a mountain somewhere and have half a case stuck in my chamber.
Say that brass costs $.50 each. If you use it 5 times, that makes the cost ten cents per round, and if you use it ten times, the cost drops to 5 cents a shot. For that extra five cents a shot, I'd rather do away with feeling each case with some kind of probe and/or taking a chance on case separation. Also, using the case only five times means I don't usually have to worry about annealing.

Fred

Fred, there is a real low risk in CHS after only 5 or 6 firings IF folks head space correctly. Annealing works wonderfully also, if done right. But, new brass is easy to obtain also...

So Fred,

if you reload, do you check and make sure your ammo will chamber in your firearm while you are at your reload bench first?

when sizing a case, you don't make sure it will freely chamber in your intended firearm...

between neck sizing, annealing every 4th reload, and being a little conservative on the powder scale...and watching your cases before heading out on a hunt as such... shouldn't be a problem... if at all concerned...why not just use new brass?

I don't know about anyone else, but I usually never load more than 10 rounds of brass for a hunting season.. if I shoot any of it, I just come home and reload it...

cases are going to show obvious signs of potential head separation...

only times I have had it happen to me has been out varmint hunting, high volume shooting for sage rats...and the brass was on its 40th reload or so... in either 22.250 or 223...

Seafire
No, I don't chamber my reloaded ammo at the bench to make sure it will chamber- I usually use new brass for my hunting loads, and probably wouldn't chamber a hot round in the house anyway.
I usually load about 20 to 40 rounds for hunting season and use some more once fired brass to bring my stock up to 60 rounds. Big game here starts in Sept, and between plinking at coyotes and prairie dogs while hunting, rechecking the zero, helping buds finish game and having a back up box of ammo stashed, that is what I feel comfortable with. Typically, I start the season with 6 or 8 big game tags in my pocket, counting the anterless ones.
Using the brass only a few times gets me away from a lot of annealing and case trimming for not too much added expense- That is worth it to me-
Fred

No country for old men here.

I like my hunting loads hot and could give a rip if I get more than 5 loads out of case.

Thinking we had that one pegged SU...

Luv ya Bro

Dober

I just got back from a quick trip to the hills to test out Seafires load for the 200 NP and H4831 SC.

Started at 60 grains and moved up to his load of
63.5.
End result, out of a cleaned 22" barrel I got 2,750 mv. I spect that once that bore dirties up a bit that it will be pushing 2,800 mv.

No signs of pressure at all from the load.

The rifle is a 700 Ti and I have a scope on the way for it. (I shot over the chrony w/o a scope.) Once I get the scope on next week. I'll take one piece of virgin brass and my loading stuff to the range and see how many times I can shoot it without the primer falling out.

You're the new Chancellor of the Red-Liner League!

Gotta love your honesty though...

I tell ya, just load it hot enough to blow out the primer, saves wear and tear on the decapping part of the sizing die.

Yup..My factory Federal HE 200 grain Noslers are 2930 fps.Don't understand the internet "Need for Speed"..Few can write about any caliber without the fps included like it is supposed to impress someone when tons and tons of game have been shot with factory SAAMI ammunition,especially in 30-06.

Jayco

Brad, a little tongue cheek here. Unlike the Roy fans, you won't find me over Sami psi.




Nope,

I have a 5 lb 6 oz (with Talleys) 22" barrel elk chasing rifle that begs to differ. I have a need for speed for longish down range bullet expansion.
That puts me about 600 yds @ 1,800 fps.