Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Rick Jamison personna no grata?

Never forgave him for suing WW over the WSM stuff...he was totally worthless in my eyes after that stunt. Before that he had his contest to name his line of short mags and decided to name them Jamison this and Jamison that...I thought "Aww hell...come on!"

Not really Mannlicher...just a "tongue in cheek" ignorant response to the other ignorant response. In the old days I had hair down to my waist and a beard/'tash half way down my chest, hair sticking out all over the place including my own warm furry everything else. That remark just struck me as too stupid for words.

Rick Jamison and Layne Simpson at least produced excellent, well designed, testable data when the rest of the garbage coming out of the gun rags wasn't worth dog wallop.

Jamison had good reason to be "arrogant". He KNEW his sh**...which is much more than can be said for all the anti-Jamisons I've read so far. Anyone who DIDN'T learn from his work must have sh** for brains because they totally missed all the excellent information he presented, but that's pretty much par for the course.

EVERYONE had the choice to read or NOT TO READ Jamisons articles.

If WW did that to ME, I would have sued them too...He should have dropped a dime and collected it himself at the same time...Jezzzz...maybe YOU like to lay down and take it in the ... but I'm not built that way.

What's so great about WW...they're no different than any other company...or person...they will screw you to death if they can get away with it.

Damn, People, how long ago did that lawsuit happen???...this is a new day...GET OVER IT AND GET A NEW LIFE.

Why in the hell does Rick Jamison have any LESS of a right to name a cartridge or series of cartidges with his own name than Winchester or Remington does? Or Ned Roberts , Townsend Whelen or Art Mashburn? Or protect his own intellectual property?

Jamison got s settlement in his case against Winchester for some very valid reasons.

Get a clue and stop being such an envious, hateful moron.

he took a concept pioneered by the likes of Lazeroni and calls it his own?

opportunist at best, parasite may be more accurate.

Lazerorni did not "pioneer" anything. The short /fat cartridge case design concept had been around for ages.

If Jamison is a parasite, then what the [bleep] does that make Remington and Winchester? Outright theives?

Most of the concepts for ammunition they have introduced have been stolen from others.

Winchester legal dept screwed up bigtime when they assumed that the Short Magnums were totally public domain AND that they had the right to use others development work. Rick Jamison merely protected his own designs.

Lazoroni and anyone else could have done the same. The PPC cartridges were similarly protected for many years.

so in your world, Colt should sue everybody that ever chambered a gun in .45 Long Colt?

S&W should sue everybody that ever chambered a gun in .38 S&W Special?

Winchester should sue for all of the .308 Win. guns out there?

that would be really serve all those 'thieves' right...

I recently heard through the gun-writer grapevine that Rick did not patent the concept of short-fat magnums. Instead he patented a process to mass-produce the cases, which is a different thing entirely.

I can believe that JB.

The concept of the short fat mag precedes Jamison or Lazzeroni.

Folks were getting magnum velocities out of the 348 Win necked down to various sizes. The 348 is a 2 1/4" case BTW


Mike

That would explain a lot.

And also explain that most of Jamison's critics who are accusing him of protecting the unpatentable don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Companies the size of Olin -Winchester do not settle out of court unless they have to.

Jamison's claim was not some baseless nuisance lawsuit.

6mm250,

Yeah, before the case lawyers contacted about every gun writer in the business, asking what we knew about the history of the short-fat concept--and if we'd testify about it. I told the guy who called me about the Gradle (and other cartridges) based on the .348, and heard from other writers who got similar calls. I never heard from the guy again.

That does make a lot more sense. Seems there are too many eager to jump on the bandwagon to criticize Rick, when he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

We owe him that much. After all the years of reading and enjoying his writings, we shouldn't be so quick to throw him under the bus...

DF

it really isn't that tough...

Jamison vs Olin/Winchester

Aw, c'mon. He had a legitimate patent. The court said so. Why should he let some giant corporation--a foreign owned one at that--steal his intellectual property?

Why are you taking sides with FN Herstal (Winchester) against the little guy?

Reading the court docket it sounds like Rick some agreement when he started working with them (breach language) and had brought in some ideas that he had covered in patents that Pre dated what the makers where doing.

If they broke an agreement to pay him for his contribution, and he had patent coverage them they really got nailed for changing their promise more so than the patents.

With an out of court settlement, we may never know if it was a "serious" settlement or a cost of litigation settlement.

DF

I don't know about that. I read the actual patent not that many years ago, and my recollection is that he was basically patenting a certain cartridge length to width ratio that he claimed produced some kind of magical performance. And he was also claiming his research covered all bore diameters from .22 to .416. My impression on reading the patent was he was basically setting himself up to sue somebody down the road.

SAAMI is among other things a cross-licensing organization sort of like the SAE. Compare Alexander Arms which recently had a proprietary cartridge go SAAMI with J.D. Jones.

A good idea where there is prior art is to first assert prior use or obvious to invalidate claims of ownership then go ahead. It's a bad idea to go ahead and infringe then try to invalidate.

IMHO Mr. Jamison has something to say and I'd buy a book if he chose to self publish as others do more or less these days. There seems to be a delicate balance indeed between popular appeal and technical and narrow focus. Some fine writers with a narrow or technical focus - some who once appeared in Wolfe publications frex - can't get published in a newstand magazine these days. Others obviously walk that balance beautifully.

Exactly.

If somebody is smart enough, and worked hard enough, to create something unique enough to be patented, and determined enough to make it stick against a company the size of Winchester......

I'm thinking if this happened to many of Jamison's critics, they would either be crying in their beer, or they would've done exactly what Jamison did.

More power to Rick Jamison.


Casey

Dude patents only cover 20 years... After that anyone can replicate it

FN Herstal owns Winchester firearms. The ammo business is owned by Olin Chemical, an American company.