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JorgeI, Pugs wasn't it that the back seater was ejected out the underside of the A-6 platform when it first went into the fleet or was it another aircraft I seem to remember something about the weapons or electronics officer was doomed if they ejected at low altitude on either landing or takeoff. I don't think there were any USN a/c that used downward ejecting seats. The RN has several where the pilot had an ejection seat and the WSO did not though and of course the A3D didn't have seats at all but chutes and a slide out the belly.
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The old A-3D (all thee dead) had J-57 engines IIRC. The B-66 had ejection seats but engines left over from a canceled drone project and were not very reliable.
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We had a loadmaster that swore if we bailed out he wouldn't. He said he got to jump from C-130's a lot when he was in the 82nd AB but they never let him fly one. His logic was if the pilots bailed out the plane was his! 
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The B-52s are jets I recall with downward ejection seats. The ESCAPAC which is the seat I flew with in the Viking also had s stabilizing vane to right you as well. Rock is correct, VERY correct regarding the sink rate and frankly, there are a lot of dead guys that just didn't take that factor before pulling on the handle. You can be at 5K altitude but with a 20K/m rate of descent you're a dead man. That is why all USN Ejection directives say "if no control passing 10K AGL, eject."
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JorgeI, Pugs wasn't it that the back seater was ejected out the underside of the A-6 platform when it first went into the fleet or was it another aircraft I seem to remember something about the weapons or electronics officer was doomed if they ejected at low altitude on either landing or takeoff. I think the first couple of F-104s had ejection seats that shot downward. A flame-out on take-off meant shooting the pilot into the runway. That's one of the reasons, but not the only reason, that the F-104 was called the Widow Maker.
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I think it had something to do with a 190kt approach speed and a stall speed not much lower!
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Impressive. Thanks for sharing.
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I think it had something to do with a 190kt approach speed and a stall speed not much lower! Had a skipper who flew the F-104 at USAF Test Pilot School. Said it was amazing but at 300 knots you were out of airspeed and out of ideas and it was the only jet he ever flew with P-factor. He was a hell of an Aviator too.
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Link to F-104 ejection seats. The F-104 started out with downward ejection seats and later were changed to upward firing seats. I always hear that when I was in the AF. One problem with the F-104 ejection seats was during the change over. The pilot had to remember which he had. http://www.ejectionsite.com/f104seat.htm
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Not to get off topic too much but another bird with a funny ejection system was the F-111. IIRC, the entire cockpit capsule seperated from the airframe and then multiple chutes deployed. Almost like the early spacecraft we used.
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Training is everything...
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As long as ejection seats are the subject, here is a great sequence showing how the seat quickly stabilizes and uprights. Link ![[Linked Image]](http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000001421/images/AIRCRASH%202.jpg)
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