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Everyone is entitled to their own oninion. I prefer function over looks any day of the week.
By your standards does a bolt gun look silly wearing a scope too? Or is that different some how?
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Some answers may be useful:
Chapuis, Verney Carron, Merkel, Zoli, Heym, Krieghoff, Browning, Rizzini and most other makers regulate their doubles from 50 to 75m, depend on makes and if scoped or not.
Most of them will accept a special order for 100m regulation at a price to be defined with customer.
Most of the double are pre-equiped to mount scope or red dot. These are the cut in the rib, filled by a metal piece, you remove to instal claw or EAW or Recknagel or other maker scope mounts. Quick detach one.
Good work is expensive believe it or not, cheap as nothing to do with doubles but the price may vary.
Modern over under are easily scoped and some are designed to use battue scopes or red dots (Blaser, Merkel, Heim, Zoli)from the start.
Some of them are specialised rifles for driven hunts (euro way) with independant cocking.
Some have build in regulation system that allow to adjust when you change bullet weight, make or shape. Not something to fool around every day at the range but effective when you know how to work them.
Most of the big caliber(over 375H&H)SxS are not designed for scope but if you pay and ask for, manufacturers can do it.
About the 30R Blaser: it is a bit more potent than the 30-06 equal to the 300H&H flanged magnum. We use it mostly in driven hunt in double or drilling but also in stalking single shot break open.
Good choice
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Here is an exception. My friend wanted to have pre equipment on his 577 Atelier Verney Carron heavy stopping rifle just in case of. So they made it. ![[Linked Image]](http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss198/Hunter4570/100_4987.jpg) But most of time they don't. Note that for the moment it's a fixed sight stopper....The rear base is not even mounted but can be easily done.
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Right there, in that pic, is generally what I had in mind to have on the gun, if I wanted to use the scope,I could. On the one gun only.
Ok, 30R Blaser, notion is beginning to gain some traction in the line of thought for the one gun, bit tough to find info on, a lot of it is in some form of fureign lingo.
Nothing about doubles or big bores is cheap, and I am inclined towards a better action/handling, moreso than the bling, having the regulation done right, not having to question what I am getting for the quality of the product. And I want somrthing that shoots decent, not 1/4" MOA, just would like it to hold, say an 8" circle at 200 fairly consistently. But, I have some limits as to how much I will spend on it, which in the case of these guns, is enough, that it lets me have something decent, I should think.
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A fairly good way to convert foreign language website is to use google translate.
http://translate.google.com/#fr|en|
Just set the languages to what you need and copy/paste the sites address in the box and click translate.
It's not perfect by a long ways BUT you'll get the general idea.
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$3500? $4000? Good lord, I don't know where you been looking but the last time I checked Searcy charged $595 to build in the mount at the time you ordered the rifle and he supplies the Talley QR rings that fit. I had this done on my 450 NE and the design is clean and well hidden. Never added a scope to this rifle yet but talked to Butch at SCI about possible regulation issues once the scope goes on and he told me in his experience it should shoot the same.
AkMike already mentioned Dale Nygaard and his advice is sound. NO ONE beats Dale's prices or ordering terms or his service. Chapuis UGEX rifles come with built in scope base cuts. I think the ring system is like $300 or so. Chapuis will also regulate your rifle with a scope on at 100 yards if you like. I better any builder would if you asked them to when you ordered the rifle.
Then you have the Heym PH rifles. They are built with a cut in the rail (for no extra fee) that allows you to add a red dot sight without altering anything.
Don't pay any attention to some of these guys trying to talk you out of mounting a scope. It might not look as classic but it can add another demension to your "short range" rifle.
I am currently waiting for my Chapuis UGEX in Blaser 30R to be delivered. Ballistics about 100 fps less than a .300 Win Mag. I have every intention to put a scope or red dot sight on the rifle within a year or so. I've bought about a dozen guns from Dale over the years and some insert barrels for combo guns. I bought a Chapuis UGEX still NIB from someone who had just taken delivery of it but suddenly needed to raise money (I know that problem all too well, myself). The second shot I took broke the stock wrist. I called Dale to see if he would sell me a butt stock. He had me send the gun back to him, re-stocked it with even nicer wood, and sent it back to me at no cost whatsoever. Trust Dale Nygaard! As to scopes on a DR, the two Chapuis in 9,3X74R that went through my hands both were scoped and factory regulated with EAW swing mounts and 2-7 Leupolds. They were regulated with 232gr ammo. With the scope off and using factory Norma 285gr loads, they regulated well at 50 and 100 yards. With the 232s they just crossed at 100 yards. This is pretty darned good for a moderately priced DR or for any other one for that matter.
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There seem to be a lot of people happy with the Chapuis. The vendor I was talking to, had some issues with them not being properly regulated. I can p/u a UGEX for 5-6000 off him. He has VC Azur PH's in stock also for 13,000.
Getting one out of the US is a last resort, due to the export laws down there, it can be done, but, it is a pain.
Found 30R Blaser info on a French forum, copy of what appears to be an RWS or a Nobel data book. Haven't researched brass or ammo for it yet though, as to avail up here. May have to check into getting it out of Europe direct.
I can get into a 9.3x74R really easily, but, it isn't what I want to get into. I'd buy a 375 first.
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Some salesmen are just like a car dealer VS another brand dealer. Ours is better, NO ours is better . That brand is a pile of doo-doo.
Take it with a grain of salt.
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EAW Swing Mounts are not reliable for anything bigger than a 375 H&H. jorge
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Oh??? Doo Tell?
They're great on my 9.3. But that is under a 375.
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For 30R Blaser ammo info go to www.rws-munition.de and play with their web site you will get some info about bullets weight, speed and so on. You can go to Blaser also and look for their ammo (made by Ruag group, could be RWS or Norma or arsenal de Thune in Switzerland). It's a powerful round for most big game even big bears with the right bullets. web sites have an english version. Dom
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Hi forgot one thing about 30R Blaser: it's a high pressure cartridge nothing to compare with 9,3x74R or 8x57IRS.
CIP datas:
standard pressure: 4050 bars or 58740 psi
max individual allowed pressure: 4658 bar or 67551 psi
proof pressure: 5050 bars or 77240 psi
These pressures show you how robust and tough are modern double rifles.
Most of them are used in driven hunt in Europe and some shoot a lot during season and practicing running boar target shooting.
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EAW Swing Mounts are not reliable for anything bigger than a 375 H&H. jorge Oh??? Doo Tell?
They're great on my 9.3. But that is under a 375. I'll stand with George on this one. IIRC, I read on the EAW web site their recommendation not to use the swing mounts on anything larger than .375.
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Thanks for that info!  I'll check it out. Edit: I just found out that the ones with the Chapuis emblem are made by Recknagle.. I'm good to go!
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I don't think I'd put a scope on 375 & up for myself, the big boomer will be a 450-400ne 3" as I already have all the brass and bullets and boolits and etc I need for that. The gun that gets the scope will be either a 7x65r or a 30r Blaser. I know I can get 7x65R here in town, would only need dies for it, which are easy to get. Only question I have to solve on the 30R Blaser is getting some ammo to get the brass. Appears to be about the same price as 450/400 ammo (read cringe!!). However if I can get the ammo without too much hassle, I may opt for it. Dies can be had easily enough.
Sounds like I ought to see if the Recknagle mounts are avail on the guns avail in 30R.
Learning some useful stuff so far. Thanks!!!!
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Here are some pictures of scoped doubles (scope or red dot sight). EAW, Maklik, Recknagel, Poli and other make pivot mounts. Recknagel mounts as EAW are available for 99% of double rifles and good gunsmith can adjust them for the 1% left. They sell also all the parts for claw mounts. Dom Zoli double with Leupold Hog scope and Recknagel mount ![[Linked Image]](http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss198/Hunter4570/Photo13b.jpg) Haenel double with Aimpoint Hunter34 and Merkel mount ![[Linked Image]](http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss198/Hunter4570/photo25jpg11.jpg) Pair of Chapuis with Recknagel and EAW mount, SwaroZ6 and Aimpoint 9000 ![[Linked Image]](http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss198/Hunter4570/Photo140001.jpg) Merkel141 SxS with Zeis Victory and EAW mount ![[Linked Image]](http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss198/Hunter4570/100_4702.jpg) Express Merkel B3 30R Blaser with Merkel mount and Leupold VX7 ![[Linked Image]](http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss198/Hunter4570/photo16.jpg)
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I think you are short-changing yourself by not scoping a 375 or even a 404 or 416. Point being, I've taken game with same from distances ranging from 25 to 350 plus with a scoped 375. The caliber BEGS for a low power variable and in fact, I just upgraded to a Zeiss 3X9. jorge
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I hear what you are saying Jorge. Zeiss, 'eh? I've been thinking either that in the 1-6x42 or maybe an S&B. I may have to settle for a Swaro. I remember seeing you were thinking of getting a 375 Flanged, is that what the 375RVC actually is, or is it something different again? 375RVC doesn't search well to get info on it.
At this point I am researching 30R Blaser ammo. Lousy results so far in N. America. And it ain't cheap in Europe , either.
I may yet change my mind on getting two SXS doubles, and get one in an upgraded version. A 375 would be far more versatile than the 450/400 if I go that way, at least for hunting around here with it.
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I don't think the Zeiss of S&B have ANYTHING over a comparable Swarovski. Yes still thinking about ordering another Verney-Carron in 375 Flanged to compliment my 450NE. jorge
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