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The official national symbol of MEChA is an Eagle
Holding a machete-like weapon and a stick of dynamite
MEChA �� The acronym MEChA stands for "Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan." or "Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan." MEChA is an Hispanic separatist organization that encourages anti-American activities and civil disobedience.
The radical members of MEChA who refer to themselves as "Mechistas," romanticize Mexican claims to the "lost Territories" of the Southwestern United States -- a Chicano country called Aztlan. In its national constitution, MEChA calls for self-determination by its members to liberate Aztlan. MEChA's national constitution starts out: "Chicano and Chicana students of Aztl�n must take upon themselves the responsibilities to promote Chicanismo within the community, politicizing our Raza with an emphasis on indigenous consciousness to continue the struggle for the self-determination of the Chicano people for the purpose of liberating Aztl�n."

Seems pretty typical of the French.

A problem crops up within their own borders and what happens?

The French authorities are useless.

The French people clamor for capitulation.

The French politicians talk of appeasement and reconciliation.

The one guy with a pair who calls a spade a spade and wants to crack down is vilified and asked to resign.

Seems no one in that country, if it can be called that, has a pair to gird up and stomp that [bleep] out. They'd rather lay down and ask the assailants not to hurt them... well, not too bad, anyway... because the French are already saying that it's all their (the French's) fault, so they are really to blame.

Cheese-eatin' surrender monkeys at it again...

Bill,

I live in Arizona and I do see what is going on. At times it is sickening and bothersome.
Thank You for clarifying you are not just pointing to the Mexican people in General, but to the corrupt ones only.
I am of Mexican descent but born in the US, and I myself was getting a little bothered by some of the comments you made. I took it as a lick at the Mexican people. But since you have clarified yourself, I don't feel that way.

On the other hand, you talk about the rapes Murders and other crimes occuring, but you know what its not just Mexicans or illegals. A lot of those crimes are caused by American citizens too.
Barak's wife brings up a good point on the prisons. I worked for the Arizona Juvenile prison system, and there was not 30% Mexicans in there.
All the information you provided is very interesting, but do you honestly think the US people/Gov't would allow what is going on in France to happen here? We have law and armed forces that will be used if such things were to occur. I think its all just mass hysteria.

Thank you for the info you have provide and a clarification of your view point.

Enrique:

I personally have made MANY trips to Mexico during the course of my days as a marketing manager for a world corporation. I'm fluent is Spanish. I read, write and speak it.The Licenciados and Ingenieros who I dealt with *( we had an autonomoius company there ) were gracious, courteous, friendly. I, being away from home on weekends, was invited to their homes on Saturdays and Sundays, and to lunch and dinner with their wifes and children. You cannot ask for more friendly and hospitable people. Numerous of them went out of their way to please me. It just so happens that I have a strong affection for Mexican food and I really like the Mariachi music.

Mexico has MANY really wonderful hotels and resort areas. My wife, daughter and granddaughter were enamoured with Cancun. They made many trips. My granddaughter took her husband there for her honeymoon.

Mexico has a heirachry and an oligarchy, a greedy, inconsiderate small group who control all of the wealth.They are not willing to share with the populus. Mexico has great natural resources that are not being shared for the betterment of the country. A gigantic and grotesque, ugly, pervasive corruption.

The consequence is that the heirarchy and oligarchy are dumping their disenfranchised into the USA. It's simply a case of abominable incompetence, greed and corruption.

Bill Tibbe

Vanimrod:

Just when I had some hope for you as a reasonable stable person, you post this unstable, ludicrous insult to the French people.

Your apparent substance is actually a functional rationale disorder. You're just not making sense.

The actual present perpetuation of Frances violence is due to a cadre of Militant Muslims who are coordinating the attacks by cell phone and internet.

France hasn't surrendered to anyone. They have already arrested over 700. And they have mobilized. They know what they are doing and they are doing it. You just do not understand the French. They don't get mad, they get even.

The Muslims have crapped in their own flat hat. Authentic Frenchmen are so turned off by this Jihad that the Muslims will rue the day that they started this fracas. The Muslims have stamped indelibly this incident into French memory for decades. A really thoughtless mistake.

May God have mercy on the Muslims.

Bill Tibbe

Penny, Miss Penny *( Madame ) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I like you !!!! You're a dream Girl !!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

We need to work some things out. You're a *( Gulp, Gasp, Heaven forbid ) teacher !!!!!.

Many teachers are *(excuse the expression ) Liberals. That's OK. I'm a superhawk, super conservative, Republican ) We'll work it out. I'm used to dealing with awkward, difficult negotiations ). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Now about this prison population issue !!!! Honest Injun, I was with Susan Tully, National Field Director of FAIR *( Look it up on the internet ) this Saturday last and it is she who stated that 30% of the prison population was illegals and most were Mexicans. I'm presently engaged in a very diligent and sincere effort to come up with satisfactory explanations that will satisfy you and ensure that you are "in our camp" irrevocably. This is VERY important and a major goal. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Bill Tibbe

WETIBBE;

You and I may agree on hunting and firearms related topics. We may also, agree, in principle, on the illegal immigration epidemic. But, on the worth of the "nation" of France over the past 100 years, we disagree. Like the PRK, I see few if any redeeming qualities in modern day France.

Bill, don't patronize me... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />It's dangerous to judge someone by stereotypes. I agree that many (maybe even most) of my colleagues are liberals. But I am most definitely NOT.She needs to explain where her data comes from. I went to the Internet and looked up current statistics for the two prisons where I spend most of my time. The men's institution's population looks like this (as of Nov. 5): 1761 total inmates, 947 black, 741 white, 79 Hispanic, 3 other. And because I volunteer there, I know a lot of the guys and I'm fairly certain that there are more Puerto Ricans there than Mexicans (although there are certainly some Mexicans). But 79 out of 1761 turns out to be 5%.

Then I went and looked at the women's prison where I go. Again, current statistics as of Nov. 5: 1842 total inmates, 637 black, 1200 white, 0 Hispanic, 5 other. The two Hispanic ladies I know from there must have either been released or transferred to a pre-release. Zero Hispanic. 0% out of a total of 1842.

I also looked at the two prisons where Barak spends most of his time with the guys. The first one is a close security institution, statistics current as of October 5: 2203 total inmates, 1057 black, 1113 white, 22 Hispanic, 11 other. There the Hispanics account for 1% of the total prison population.

And finally I looked at the max institution, statistics current as of November 5: 1076 total inmates, 634 black, 423 white, 15 Hispanic, 4 other. Hispanics account for 1.3% of the total inmate population.

So we don't approach even 10% (much less 30%) of the total prison population. And we DO have Hispanics in my state, in growing numbers.

If Ms. Tully is going to be credible, she needs to prove her stats.

B'sW

Edited to adjust my decimal points. Thanks, Walker! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Bill, you said you are fluent in Spanish. Give the whole translation. "Tu ciudad" (your city), "Tu equipo" (your team). It's an advertisement for the news ("noticias") on a Spanish-language television station. Los Angeles is a city where Spanish is spoken (your city) and so it has a news team covering the news in Spanish (your team). Because of that, it is like Mexico instead of California (CA crossed out, Mexico added). It's an advertisement for a Spanish-language news station, aimed at the Spanish-speaking population... nothing more, nothing less.

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B'sW,

You need to move all of your decimal points two places to the right. (The symbol "%" means "out of 100".) Just thought you'd want to know. Please do continue chewing up the WetBoy.

Hey, they might be able to do a better job with California than we have... -------------------------------------------------------

Why would you believe they would do any better with CA than they did with the rest of Mexico?

Whoops! I knew that. Did the math, added the percent sign, forgot to move the decimal. It was late last night and I was tired (at least that's my story and I'm sticking to it -- as Barak would say. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)

Thanks for the correction, Walker. I want my stats to be correct, too!

B'sW

Penny:

In all fairness to Susan Tully she did say that the prison population was 25% to 30%. There are a variety of categories of correctional institutions. Here's a link stating that 25% of " Federal" prison populations are illegal immigrants. Since most are from Mexico I stand on my previous statement. And Susan can stand on her statistics and statement She's far too busy and important for me to approach to quibble and extract further justification.

http://magic-city-news.com/article_2788.shtml

As regards the billboard in California, I can read it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> The anger that it stirred there wasn't about a radio station advertising. It was the audacity that someone struck out CA and inserted Mexico. I understand that it even caught the attention of California's Governor. The outrage that it stirred up caused it's removal. Perhaps you, back East, gloss over the matter and dismiss it as trivial but the people in Califiornia are very sensitive to the invasion.

I have a film here from the California Coalition. If you could review it you would surely be appalled. It's senior citizens, old ladies and others being set upon by a swarm of Latino/Hispanic goons rioting, pummeling, screaming epithets, whites get out. It was bloody. *( Film available from California coalition ).

On the subject of patronizing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Ladies LOVE compliments. *( Don't even think about trying to deny that !! ) Lassie, ya didna want me to call ya an old witch now didja ??

You're not a Liberal. I'm so relieved <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. Now we can move on to the matter of these MEchA subversive movements, the Mexican 5th column embedded in Universities all over our land. If you haven't seen what they are up to, and how widespread they are, I'll post plenty of information. Since you may be somewhat removed from the heat of the action, perhaps you do not see so much of it. Teaching intermediate French. Not Mexican American Heritage studies.

With respect to my daughters statement about all the rich living in downtown Paris and the poor around outside, If it is any consolation to you, her brother somewhat also disagrees. But within the context she was speaking, in broad, generic terms, without making a statistical spread sheet and comprehensive demographic census evaluation, I understood what she was trying to convey.

Bill Tibbe

Well, of course! When illegals are apprehended and awaiting deportation, they are sent to federal prisons. So it makes all the sense in the world that the percentage of Hispanics (and probably other foreign nationalities as well) would be inflated in federal prisons.

Not mentioning that you were speaking of federal facilities is the kind of data manipulation that makes me not trust much of what anyone says these days.

If an argument is true and strong, it should be able to stand on its own without any "help." If statistics have to be manipulated or the whole story not told, we should question why we feel the necessity to do that.

B'sW

"To patronize" means "to treat in a condescending manner." To me, that doesn't equate with a compliment.

And of course I like compliments... IF they're sincere. If you truly thought I was an old witch, then that's what I would want you to tell me. A false compliment is no compliment at all, and means nothing. Honesty is always the best policy.

That's my thought for the day. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

B'sW

Remember what I said: Coming soon!!

You may want to stock up on ammo and components and maybe secure an automatic weapon or two.
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Leader Of Racist Aztlan Movement Calls For French-Style Riots In US

World Net Daily | November 8 2005

As we have previously documented, these Mexican Klan groups call for killing all white and black people and taking over the southern states with bloody conquest and yet Alex Jones have been attacked for protesting them. Take a look at what they're advocating and then decide who the real racists are.



Giant bilboards are now proclaiming that LA belongs to Mexico in ads for radio stations.



FLASHBACK: Protesting Aztlan and the Plan of San Diego

FLASHBACK: Nightmare Racism and Open Call for Revolution: Alex Jones Reports on Mexican Independence Day in Austin, Texas

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While Many Americans are watching the chaos unfold following 12 nights of mayhem by largely Muslim immigrants in the streets of France, a leader of the separatist Aztlan movement in the U.S. says it's only a matter of time before worse unrest hits the streets of America.

"Can a similar insurrection occur in the USA?" asks Ernesto Cienfuegos of La Voz de Aztlan.

Yes, he concludes.

"Today, here in Los Angeles, we are already seeing ominous signs of an impending social explosion that will make the French rebellion by Muslim and immigrant youths seem 'tame' by comparison," he writes. "All the ingredients are present including a hostile and racist police as in France. In fact, we came close to having major riots on three separate occasions just this year alone."

Aztlan activists, who see themselves as "America's Palestinians," want to carve out of most of the southwestern United States an independent, Spanish-speaking nation known as the Republica del Norte.

According to earlier reports in La Voz de Aztlan, the leaders of this movement are meeting continuously with extremists from the Islamic world.

"There are great similarities between the political and economic condition of the Palestinians in occupied Palestine and that of La Raza in the southwest United States," explained one 2001 editorial in La Voz de Aztlan.

Los Angeles is perceived as the future capital of Aztlan or Republica de Norte.

Cienfuegos continued in today's dispatch: "On top of all this, there are major rumblings in the high schools of the Los Angeles Unified School District, the second largest in the USA. A few days ago, thousands of students, predominantly of Mexican descent, simply walked out of their schools to protest overcrowding, lack of texts, lack of desks and unqualified teachers. There is a strange feeling here in Los Angeles that something sinister is about to happen, but no one knows when. All it will take is for a 'bird-brain cop' to do something stupid and all hell will break loose. If another major rebellion breaks out here in L.A. it could rapidly spread throughout the USA as it has spread in France."

"The social and economic conditions that exist in France that adversely affect its immigrant and Muslim populations also exist here in the USA," Cienfuegos writes. "These conditions negatively affect our black, Latino and immigrant populations in the same way. The rebellion that is occurring in France can and will most probably happen here. If it does, it will have grave consequences on the social, political and economic structures of the country and it could possibly topple a government already weakened by the Iraq War and corruption within its ranks."


http://prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/081105callsforriots.htm

Bill Tibbe