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Hard for Francophobes to swallow but true. Not a joke.

But first. I travelled to extreme northern Newfoundland in October 2005 where I visited L'Anse Aux Province. That's the site where the Vikings landed 500 years before Columbus. There is a museum containing authentic Viking artifacts and remnants from the original Viking village. And the villages foundations. The Canadian Parks Department reconstructed replicas of the village.

A bit of pre history. Clovis man is generally believed to have been the first Homo Sapiens in America. Archaeological discoveries in Texas place him there about 12,000 BC. He is believed to have migrated across the Bering Sea from Asia/ Russia.

New discoveries in Virginia have uncovered evidence of Solutrian spear points in excavations dated at 17,500 years BC. The Solutrian flint technology is very distince and much more advanced than Clovis or any other. It is typical of Southern France and southern Europe.

http://www.beloit.edu/~museum/logan/paleoexhibit/solutrian.htm








The spear point is undulated showing many fine conchoidal chips of flint that were removed progressively *( somewhat like a serrated knife blade ). It is many times sharper than a steel knife blade.

Of course France was not called Fance 17,500 years ago but that designates the region where Solutrian technology abounds.

How did they get to America ? The Archaeologists/ scientists determined that the period was in the midst of an ice age. Ice was 5,000 feet thick over many parts of the northern hemisphere. The North Atlantic ocean was a frozen ice sheet from Europe to North America. The oceans were 500 feet shallower than at present so more land surface was exposed.

The Solutrians are believed to have made skin/hide boats and hunted seals along the edges of the ice pack until they reached North America. They carried lichens as fire starters and burned blubber/fat to melt snow/ice for drinking.

Probably everyone has a fair idea of what DNA is. It is, simply put, a scientific way of determining and identifying humans. The Ojibwa Tribe in central Ontario have a 25% trace of Solutrian DNA. The only tribe to be identified.

So there you have it. Europeans, according to scientists, first discovered America 17,500 years ago and probably many came from France based on the evidence presently available.

This is scientific fact that is verifiable and true science currently in vogue.

Bill Tibbe

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

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tff...

breaking news straight from the front page of the friggin' national enquirer again...

tff...

And what is the point of this newfound discovery?

Maybe thats the influence of DNA we had here in the US that Bill refers to when we "ran" from all the other wars. Maybe its the French influence.....

17,500-years is a long time - is America the first country France retreated from?

Those spear points are in nice shape - never used and only dropped once?

Don't take the bait and DFTFT!

actually there is science to this theory. however it comes down to, do you really think the french of today are truely direct desendents of the ppl living in france 17,500 years ago? there has been alot of shifting back and forth in that amont of time. hell look how many times the british isles have been invaded in the last 3,000 years. the vikings have settled there as have the romans and a few others. what in the hell this story has to do with "frenchophobes" is beyond me.

are we going to vote this yayhoo of the island or what?

VAnimrod - "breaking news straight from the front page of the friggin' national enquirer again..."
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National Enquirer????? Not hardly. For many years, scientists, anthropologists, linguists, and biologists who study DNA links of pre-historic migrating peoples, have found more and more concrete evidence buttressing the theory that western Europeans came to the northeast shores of the American continent, even before the Asians of present day Siberia, Mongolia, etc., came across the ice bridge on the Bering Strait. More and more evidence comes to light each year, and now, even DNA studies are being conducted to examine these theories.

Another interesting study is that of analyzing dental traits. I.E., the frequency of molars with two or three roots (the former is common among Europeans, and the latter among Asians and American Indians) and anthropological digs in the remote northeast U.S., and even more remote far northeast Canadian areas, have discovered ancient skulls with the two-root molars intact. European trait.

Does this prove the theory related by WETibbe??? Not yet, but they're closing in on definitive proof.

So why would one label WETibbe a "troll" for posting here information already gathered by a whole bunch of scientists who have studied this theory for many, many years?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

L.W.

'Cause he is an azzhole, that is why!

'Cause I need a WHOLE lot more convincing than WETIBBE's word.

I do know of the current research done on the "discovery" of North America; both leading to conclusions that paleo-Europeans may have, and likely did, make it to North America several thousands of years ago, as well as the increasingly likely possibility that the Chinese may have started colonies on the West coast over 1,000 years ago.

But, claiming that the former is proof that the French discovered America is as off-the-mark as claiming the latter to be proof that the Communist Chinese colonized the PRK. It just don't flush...

Leanwolf. what tweaked ppl is he started of an interesting post with a jab



like TLEE said, hes an ass

VAnimrod -"'Cause I need a WHOLE lot more convincing than WETIBBE's word."
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It didn't read to me that he was merely posting his opinion, but that he was relating the theories based on particular evidence discovered by anthropologists, scientists, etc., who have long studied the subject.

T.LEE - "Because he's an [bleep]..."

If one judges all information posted as invalid, no matter the sources, because one judges that person to be "an [bleep]," then it could naturally follow that any information posted by ANYONE is invalid, if someone else thinks that person is "an [bleep]."

I.E., I know two people who knew Jack O'Connor well, and who hunted with him. They thought he was "an [bleep]." By your definition, that would mean that whatever information regarding O'Connor's experiences with firearms and hunting, would be invalid.

On the other hand, I never met O'Connor, but many years ago, used to correspond with him and he was always polite and helpful in his letters to me. So... he seemed like a very nice person to me, and I loved to read his articles and books. The two people of whom I spoke, differ with me. Their opinion does not invalidate O'Connor's information.

Rattler, I agree that WETibbe's "Francophobe" jab had nothing to do with whether or not the anthropologists believe that pre-historic Europeans came to and settled for awhile on the northeastern shores of Canada, etc. Some people like to stir the pot.

Just my take on the subject.

L.W.

L.W.

I don't judge all information posted by a person as invalid because of my opinion of them.

As I have stated before, WETIBBE has made some excellent points about firearms and hunting. Credit where credit is due.

However, as I stated above, saying that archaelogical evidence of paleo-European influence in North American equates to the French discovering America makes as much sense as saying that the Red Chinese settled the Left Coast because of thousand(+) year-old settlements likely made by ancient Chinese during a distant, and extinct, dynasty.

BS is BS, regardless of whom it comes from.

L. W.

He has proven to me in the past his credentials and is on ignore. I will not dignify ANYTHING he posts with a reply.

I do not care whether or not his posting is trash or treasure, it is not worthy or a reply IMHO. DFTFT

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BMT

You are ignoring the obvious answer. The Frogs always sell arms to anyone with the wherewithal. The trait didn't start yesterday. They probably shifted their brand new, type-1A, spear head to the first comer then too.

1B

Those spear points are in nice shape - never used and only dropped once?




laffin hard on that one.






Mac

Guys,

There was a documentary on this very subject on the Discovery Channel last weekend. It is a plausible theory. During the last 20-30 years there have been a number of discoveries that do not fit the Clovis mold. More and more evidence is linking artifacts in the Eastern U.S. with those artifacts from France and Iberia.

Leon

Lots of mysteries still out there...

I got cornered by an old gent in Zagreb one time who spun a tale about the Croatians' discovery of America. In brief, he claimed, the Pope sent a lay order from the Adriatic coast to help proselytize among the first christians in Ireland. Being Croats, they forget to turn right at Gibralatar. Bang zoom, they landed on the North Carolina coast, spent some time, and came back. Ending the tale, "to this day there are Crowhatan Indians there!"

Stifling a laugh at nationalistist madness, I beat feet. Only to learn later that the other area tribes regard the Crowhatans (SP?) as outlanders because they have always have worn hats of a Euopean look and their language consists of come basic words -- fire etc, -- unlike any local tongue; the expets say they have Indo-European roots!

1B

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I doubt "America" was ever "discovered" just once.

Or twice.

Just doesn't seem reasonable.

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