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Apparently both of my nephews are going into the military. One(William) seems to have his act together and will get a lot out of the service. He has or is completing his AA degree and will then go in as a flight engineer and will get the tech school involved. He's checked out how many hours of flight time he has to have to then train as a Navigator.
The other one has done nothing but drop out of classes for the last three years his parents have been willing to foot the bill for school. They have built an apartment and a house for the boys so they didn't have to live at home while they were going to school. The dropout is shipping out to Air Force basic at Lackland next week, and has apparently been promised a really good job and training in aircraft maintenance. In my experience there is a whole lot of maintenance jobs in the armed forces I wouldn't wish on anyone, nor will they equate to a good job after four or six years (he signed up for six). Mom said that he was told that he would list his preferred job choices two weeks into basic and they would give him his assignment by the end of basic.
Mom says he has really high entrance scores but, I don't know how this works out for someone who goes in without a guaranteed job training.
I'd appreciate input from anyone who knows how the system works for someone going in under these terms (no terms)
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Same as ever - since roman times.
You tell them what you can do and what you like and they put you exactly where you do not want to go and what you can not do.
Right, Private scenar and private ingwe, we need a bighorn ram and a mess of trout by 0600 sharp.
Private scenar, you go fish, private ingwe, you go up the hill.
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Navigators are Officers. To be an Officer he has to have a B.A. Or B.S. degree.(4year) A.A. is a two year isn't it.
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2011 - took my ASVAB. Opened me up to a list of jobs. Selected a job that interested me. Took my DLAB. Qualified for the job I wanted. They prepared a contract for said job - signed it. No way to change or get out of that job once you're there. EXCEPT SEALS/SWCC. At that time the SEALS/SWCC had specific rates they'd only take applicants from. If you decided to try and be a SEAL/SWCC/EOD you could then change your contract at that time to a feeder rate. I tried to change. Passed the PT test but I am color deficient. (I wanted EOD Diver the worst way) Can't do it so I was at my original contract job then.
Went to basic, passed.
Went to A school, passed with honors.
Went to follow on technical school, passed as Honorman.
Collected my sign-on bonus.
Went and did the job I wanted and what we came together on a contrct with.
Really simple - unless you go in "needs of the service" I don't know of anyone who didn't have some sort of contract stating what their career was going to be. All sorts of jobs and everyone I went to basic with had a contract for a job.
Not that it means you MUST and WILL only be that but you'll be given the shot to do what you wanted. Rest is on you. You still have to pass the training.
If I wasn't able to make it through A school - 1 of 2 things.
1. Go "undesignated" to the fleet. Usually if you were a chit bag sailor. I know of 3 people this happened to while I was in A school.
2. Good sailor, just that the school wasn't for them - they found you something else to do and worked with you. I know of 1 person this happened to.
We had a high wash out rate for my A school. I'm sure it happened to more people than that while I was there but it only happened to 4 people that I personally knew.
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I don't spend much time on the recruiting end of things, but have 28 years in the AF thus far.
websterparish47 nailed the navigator bit. No hours of flight time are required, requested, or will do any good toward becoming a navigator without a 4-year degree... That said, once he gets that bachelors degree it's interesting to note that last acceptance rate for OTS, for prior enlisted Airmen, was 100%; all technical degrees? Who knows?
I wish them both all the luck in the world. For the maintenance trainee, I'd recommend looking at skills/career fields that translate to the civilian world immediately...just in case. That means, don't become an aerial gunner (aircraft armament systems specialist - z shred)) like I did, but try and get into helo or heavy aircraft maintenance.
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Navigators are Officers. To be an Officer he has to have a B.A. Or B.S. degree.(4year) A.A. is a two year isn't it. I think what he's got in mind is being a flight engineer and logging hours while he finishes his degree.
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2011 - took my ASVAB. Opened me up to a list of jobs. Selected a job that interested me. Took my DLAB. Qualified for the job I wanted. They prepared a contract for said job - signed it. No way to change or get out of that job once you're there. EXCEPT SEALS/SWCC. At that time the SEALS/SWCC had specific rates they'd only take applicants from. If you decided to try and be a SEAL/SWCC/EOD you could then change your contract at that time to a feeder rate. I tried to change. Passed the PT test but I am color deficient. (I wanted EOD Diver the worst way) Can't do it so I was at my original contract job then.
Went to basic, passed.
Went to A school, passed with honors.
Went to follow on technical school, passed as Honorman.
Collected my sign-on bonus.
Went and did the job I wanted and what we came together on a contrct with.
Really simple - unless you go in "needs of the service" I don't know of anyone who didn't have some sort of contract stating what their career was going to be. All sorts of jobs and everyone I went to basic with had a contract for a job.
Not that it means you MUST and WILL only be that but you'll be given the shot to do what you wanted. Rest is on you. You still have to pass the training.
If I wasn't able to make it through A school - 1 of 2 things.
1. Go "undesignated" to the fleet. Usually if you were a chit bag sailor. I know of 3 people this happened to while I was in A school.
2. Good sailor, just that the school wasn't for them - they found you something else to do and worked with you. I know of 1 person this happened to.
We had a high wash out rate for my A school. I'm sure it happened to more people than that while I was there but it only happened to 4 people that I personally knew. We had a high wash out rate for the school I was in, the first 13 weeks were split into Ac and DC circuits, then it was on to system specific troubleshooting. There was a very high washout rate during the electronics part of school, and that was a preface for many other fields as well. We started with a big class and ended up with less than 20.
The major difference between belief and fact is those who believe something have come to a conclusion no facts will contradict. Well informed people are open to new facts that oppose their beliefs. That also defines an open and closed mind.
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Per the needs...
I don't know what branch he's looking at but...
When I was enlisted, I contracted into a job field, Aviation Mechanic, and was given my actual MOS, 6154, Airframes and Hydrualic mechanic on Hueys and Cobras.
I am currently working on my BS in forestry and am trying to go to OCC for the Marines, (what can I say, I love my country and love the Marines, even if you think that people these days don't), and if all goes well I will be at OCC after I graduate. From there I would go to a 6 month long school called TBS, where you "pick" your MOS... But again, per the needs of the Marine Corps is the underlying theme here, and they will put you where they need you.
Also, if anything, I think the second man that you listed, that isn't doing well in school could get a lot out of the military as long as he doesn't get sent some place where they allow grabastic BS to prevail. The Marines would do him right.
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