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#6455857 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Originally Posted By: Bristoe
The primaries aren't over.

And yes,...Ron Paul would spank Obama in the general election.

You need to inform yourself.

There's a political revolution taking shape in America.

I do,ron paul has yet to win a primary,you should inform yourself. His little speeches don't mean votes at the ballot box,so that picture is about as useful as tts on a boar hog.
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#6455860 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Originally Posted By: Bristoe
The primaries aren't over.

And yes,...Ron Paul would spank Obama in the general election.

You need to inform yourself.

There's a political revolution taking shape in America.


true enough. if the publican candidate beats the demo this year, i wouldn't be surprised if the demo party fractures into component parts. Greens will inherit a ton of the residual effects. the Libertarians will pick up a few pieces to add to their stable of platform planks as well.
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#6455874 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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Originally Posted By: elkhunternm
Originally Posted By: Bristoe
Yeah,..you may be right.

We all better hope not, however.

A Romney candidacy means 4 more years of Obama.
So,ron paul ,who could not beat romney during the primaries,can beat obama. crazy
Of course. One has nothing to do with the other.
You can spin it any way you want he still won't win the nomination.
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#6455883 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: elkhunternm]
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Originally Posted By: elkhunternm
ron paul has yet to win a primary,


Is that so?

lol,..

You need to learn to pay attention.

Current events are passing you by.
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#6455887 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Originally Posted By: Bristoe
Originally Posted By: elkhunternm
ron paul has yet to win a primary,


Is that so?

lol,..

You need to learn to pay attention.

Current events are passing you by.
Speak for yourself he still won't win the nominaton.
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#6455899 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Gus]
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Originally Posted By: Gus
the Libertarians will pick up a few pieces to add to their stable of platform planks as well.


Its momentum is going to carry it far beyond that.

The RNC has been bullying the liberty movement since 2007.

Now, the liberty movement has grown large enough to not accept the bullying and is taking over the chairmanship of the state's GOP.

The media would have you believe that it's just a flash in the pan which is being orchestrated by a handful of unrealistic young people.

It's not.

It's a very well led, very organized, very well backed, very dedicated endeavor,....and it's rapidly building a huge amount of momentum.

I've been a Ron Paul supporter for years,...but I have to confess,...I didn't think I'd ever see what's happening today,..especially what's occurred in the past few months.

It's pretty wild.

I'm enjoying it.
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#6455928 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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while i too much prefer the ideal of a simpler and more free world, we're getting long in the tooth for such an ideal outcome.

i'm almost to the point of going to the opposite continuum and hoping for a "benign" dictator to help set things aright. of course, he won't be all that benign early on, while getting things into correct order. but, later, we'll all come to appreciate his hard work and determination.

in other words, freedom is to be much desired, but i'm thinking we have lost our capacity to achieve it, as individual voters, while voting for the usual suspects.
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#6455947 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Gus]
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Originally Posted By: Gus

i'm thinking we have lost our capacity to achieve it, as individual voters, while voting for the usual suspects.
Well,...it's really not a matter of "we".

This paradigm shift is a product of the upcoming generations.

They have nothing to gain by maintaining the status quo,...unlike us older folks who are or will soon be dependent on the government to meet our old age needs.

What's occurring is the beginning of a fourth turning.

http://www.fourthturning.com/html/history___turnings.html

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#6455962 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Ron Paul is merely a distraction, like Ross Perot was. Simple.
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#6455970 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: TooDogs]
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The RNC is the distraction.

It's repeatedly failed miserably at representing Republicans.

There's a movement afoot to replace its corrupt leadeship with those who are much more responsible to the wishes of conservatives in America,...and it's starting to happen.
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#6455981 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Bristoe, it is pretty clear for those who have an eye with which to see, we are moving further into the post-modern era.

after coming off WWII as the single big winner, we have placed our tentacles all over the world. but, it's been a long time since those tentacles were brand new, some are 65 years old, or even older.

newer tentacles are emerging from other corners of the Earth.

again, i'm afraid time is running out for a more "simplistic" outcome.
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#6455995 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Gus]
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Oh,..there's nothing simple about it.

That much has already been made clear.
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#6456013 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Originally Posted By: Bristoe
The primaries aren't over.

And yes,...Ron Paul would spank Obama in the general election.

You need to inform yourself.

There's a political revolution taking shape in America.








The primaries are over.

By the time Romney takes Texas on May 29 with more than a 100 of the 155 delegates in a landslide in Paul’s home state; he will be close to or over 1200 delegates and he only needs 1144.
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#6456014 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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This spells it out is a few seconds.

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#6456023 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: BOWSINGER]
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Originally Posted By: BOWSINGER
Originally Posted By: Bristoe
The primaries aren't over.

And yes,...Ron Paul would spank Obama in the general election.

You need to inform yourself.

There's a political revolution taking shape in America.








The primaries are over.

By the time Romney takes Texas on May 29 with more than a 100 of the 155 delegates in a landslide in Paul’s home state; he will be close to or over 1200 delegates and he only needs 1144.


In the first place,...no,..the primaries aren't over.

In the second, no one knows the true delegate count.

But keep on wishing for bad luck and knocking on wood.

Some of us aren't ready to give up yet.
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#6456039 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Granted, there's no holding back an idea whose time has come.

on the other hand, there's no successfully introducing an idea whose time hasn't come.

while i'm a centrist Libertarian according to the test, i remain a staunch arche fiscal conservative.

the Gold Standard gives me the jeebies. it's been tried, and rejected by the best minds that money can buy. grin

seriously, until some MIT mathematician comes up with a new and acceptable monetary theory to replace the one we have, we are stuck in the status quo. Yes, innovation in the monetary theory might could help. but, who's toting the proposed new idea for mass dissemination?
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#6456056 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Originally Posted By: Bristoe
Palin is yesterday's news.

A Ron Paul supporter is now chairman of the Alaska GOP.







Did you miss yesterday’s news when Palin gave the 2012 CPAC keynote to an overflowing 3-room crowd?

A Paul turnout in the rain of only 4,300?

Palin did 6-8000 in a Madison snowstorm and she wasn’t even running.

Despite a disappointing third place finish in the March 6 Alaska caucuses…
From the Alaska Dispatch:
This weekend, it was the young, sometimes bedraggled but always politically strident and not always so polite, supporters of presidential candidate Ron Paul who were certain that if they were in charge of the party, Alaska and the country would be a better place.
And now they’ll get their chance to prove it
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#6456059 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Originally Posted By: Bristoe

I've been a Ron Paul supporter for years,...but I have to confess,...I didn't think I'd ever see what's happening today,..especially what's occurred in the past few months.

It's pretty wild.

I'm enjoying it.
Me too.
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#6456073 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Gus]
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Originally Posted By: Gus

seriously, until some MIT mathematician comes up with a new and acceptable monetary theory to replace the one we have, we are stuck in the status quo.


Well,...yeah,...we're stuck with it as long as it lasts,..but that's not going to be very long.

When the price of gold goes from $300 an ounce to $1600 an ounce in 10 years,...when the national debt hits 16 trillion dollars and is increasing at the rate of a trillion dollars a year,..the fat is definitely in the fire as far as the American dollar is concerned.

The time to be considering an alternative to our fiat money system was a long time ago,....but "now" is as good of a chance as is left.

Tomorrow will be a bit worse,..and the day after,...and the day after,.....

The plug needs to be pulled as soon as possible.
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#6456093 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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very true, in terms of describing the challenge.

however, falling back to a failed system can only last a minimum of time. gold & silver has already been tried, attempted, and moved away from. no doubt a better system is Needed, but no need to fall into a bucket of once used excrement.

if gold and silver had worked, we'd, as a group of voters, chosen to stay with it. but, we didn't.

to diverge from the Story a bit, no sense in the Hebrew children returning to Egypt under Pharoah's rule, just because summers were hot and winters were cold in the Sinai. the correct answer was chosen...to keep moving forward. Toyota had it right, all along.

we're living at the far-edge of our available technology. what is needed is innovative breakthroughs. free energy suits me just fine. we'll deal with the increasing population of breeding adults later.
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#6456112 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Gus]
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Originally Posted By: Gus

if gold and silver had worked, we'd, as a group of voters, chosen to stay with it. but, we didn't.



When did anybody vote to go off the gold standard?

What was it's failure?
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#6456126 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Bristoe]
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Originally Posted By: Bristoe
Originally Posted By: Gus

if gold and silver had worked, we'd, as a group of voters, chosen to stay with it. but, we didn't.



When did anybody vote to go off the gold standard?

What was it's failure?


ok, if it was so good, why didn't we vote to re-instate it?

it's failure? the political system, as elected by the voters, made the decision to abandon it, with all it's good looks and warts combined as a unit.

Bristoe, everything we have done, we have done with the support of a democratic voting system. is the voting system wrong, or has the gold & silver std really failed, causing the system to move forward to the next best alternative?

btw, i don't know the answer to the question. but, it sure sounds like a lot of folks want to return to slavery in Egypt, rather than being free to prosper or starve on their own devises and merits?
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#6456156 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Gus]
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Why the people don't simply "vote away" anything smacking of tyranny is a huge topic.

For now, I'll content myself with supporting those *very* few people in government who want to shrink our government down to its original configuration,...or even smaller, if possible.
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#6456162 - 04/29/12 Re: If Steve_NO is grumpy today,... [Re: Gus]
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Originally Posted By: Gus
Originally Posted By: Bristoe
Originally Posted By: Gus

if gold and silver had worked, we'd, as a group of voters, chosen to stay with it. but, we didn't.



When did anybody vote to go off the gold standard?

What was it's failure?


ok, if it was so good, why didn't we vote to re-instate it?

it's failure? the political system, as elected by the voters, made the decision to abandon it, with all it's good looks and warts combined as a unit.

Bristoe, everything we have done, we have done with the support of a democratic voting system. is the voting system wrong, or has the gold & silver std really failed, causing the system to move forward to the next best alternative?

btw, i don't know the answer to the question. but, it sure sounds like a lot of folks want to return to slavery in Egypt, rather than being free to prosper or starve on their own devises and merits?
Try reading a little something about the history of gold and silver as money, and how and why it was outlawed. Rothbard wrote some excellent books and articles on it.
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