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#6535620 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]
lwh723 Offline
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Originally Posted By: The_Mason
I didn't know that savage made a 45 cal or did you have it special made?


That's one of the aftermarket barrels I was telling you about.
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#6535623 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: LeonHitchcox]
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Originally Posted By: LeonHitchcox
A friend of mine makes up smokeless muzzleloaders by taking Remington muzzleloaders and rebarreling with McGowan barrels and aftermarket stocks. His cost is $1200 to $1400. Last time I talked to him he was finishing up a dozen. He also uses a three piece collapsible ramrod.


Bill does great work! The ramrod he supplies actually comes from me. He's my best customer. laugh
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#6535641 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: lwh723]
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How can I get one of the 45 barrels to put on a savage

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#6535657 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]
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#6535678 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: lwh723]
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Will this barrel fit the remington 700 ml or will it have to be a different barrel

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#6536176 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]
lwh723 Offline
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Originally Posted By: The_Mason
Will this barrel fit the remington 700 ml or will it have to be a different barrel


You need a different barrel.

Here's a cost breakdown on the 700ML conversion. This is for a Pac-Nor barrel. Knock off about $120 if you go with a McGowen barrel instead.

http://smokelessmz.com/700ml.html
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#6536545 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]
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It's a proven fact that Toby blew the gun up on purpose because he was mad at Savage. It was rebarreled and is still shooting today. The Savage is the best muzzleloader still in production.
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#6536672 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: lwh723]
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Originally Posted By: lwh723
Originally Posted By: LeonHitchcox
A friend of mine makes up smokeless muzzleloaders by taking Remington muzzleloaders and rebarreling with McGowan barrels and aftermarket stocks. His cost is $1200 to $1400. Last time I talked to him he was finishing up a dozen. He also uses a three piece collapsible ramrod.


Bill does great work! The ramrod he supplies actually comes from me. He's my best customer. laugh


Bill doesn't hang out here, so I didn't expect you to know him. Did he build yours? The last time I was over at his place he had some beauties. And he had some really nice targets that he had shot too.

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#6536677 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]
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Originally Posted By: The_Mason
Will this barrel fit the remington 700 ml or will it have to be a different barrel


Bill has the barrels threaded to fit the Remington action and has the interior of the barrel threaded for a Savage breech plug.

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#6536685 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: lwh723]
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Originally Posted By: lwh723
Originally Posted By: LeonHitchcox
A friend of mine makes up smokeless muzzleloaders by taking Remington muzzleloaders and rebarreling with McGowan barrels and aftermarket stocks. His cost is $1200 to $1400. Last time I talked to him he was finishing up a dozen. He also uses a three piece collapsible ramrod.


Bill does great work! The ramrod he supplies actually comes from me. He's my best customer. laugh


I missed this post the first time through. Small world isn't it with my neighbor being a customer of a Campfire member. I thought that collapsible ramrod looked like what Bill was using.

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#6536727 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]
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savage ml. 42 gr 4759 followed by parker 275 hydro

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#6537045 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: dcd]
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If i'm not mistaken. The gun is based on the Savage 10. Does it have the same balance?


Edited by Mauser_Hunter (05/25/12)
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#6537271 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Swampman700]
Tulie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Swampman700
It's a proven fact that Toby blew the gun up on purpose because he was mad at Savage. It was rebarreled and is still shooting today. The Savage is the best muzzleloader still in production.


This is indeed a fact. Also, back to the original question, these are flat out the best ML on the market. I have 2, both will shoot sub inch 3 shot groups at 100 yards. The sabot is a major factor, I use MMP, a Hornady 300 grain XTP, 65 grains of Reloader 7 and it's a combination that is giving me around 2250 fps and deadly. For those that say they aren't legal, what isn't legal? If you can't shoot smokeless powder then shoot what is legal and use the same rifle.
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#6537336 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Tulie]
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I wouldn't consider buying the gun if I was going to shoot BP in it. I see no advantage then. I can easily shoot MOA with a CVA BP gun at half the price, and a much lighter gun.

We can't use smokeless here in ML season, but i'm going to get one and shoot it in rifle season. Just because I like muzzleloaders, and I don't like taking the easy way.

I'm looking for a 250yd muzzleloader for rifle season. I'll use a caplock, real BP, and a PRB for ML season.
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#6537534 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: rick59]
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Here's a new one of mine that's haveing a stock fitted to it right now.
Savage 10ML-II action w/ Fluted 25" 45cal 1:22 Pac-Nor barrel



Soory about that, I moved the picture into another folder in photobucket and lost in my post.
This was put together by HillBill and he is building a Remington for me right now.
All parts came from Luke!

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#6537579 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]
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Originally Posted By: Mauser_Hunter
I wouldn't consider buying the gun if I was going to shoot BP in it. I see no advantage then. I can easily shoot MOA with a CVA BP gun at half the price, and a much lighter gun.

We can't use smokeless here in ML season, but i'm going to get one and shoot it in rifle season. Just because I like muzzleloaders, and I don't like taking the easy way.

I'm looking for a 250yd muzzleloader for rifle season. I'll use a caplock, real BP, and a PRB for ML season.


The advantage is you can shoot either in it, it has a fantastic trigger and you have a proof tested barrel. You may have a CVA that shoots MOA but I sure never have and I've never had a Knight that did either. If I shoot Blackhorn or whatever that stuff is in it I do lose a little velocity and a little less accuracy but it's still better than any other ML I've owned.
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#6537637 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Tulie]
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It's pretty common. Say what you will about CVA guns. The Bergara barrel is accurate.


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#6537787 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]
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I don't think their accuracy is in question....it's the other things.
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#6537799 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Swampman700]
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Example?
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#6537828 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]
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Originally Posted By: The_Mason
Has anyone ever used this type of muzzleloader? The main questions I have are how it shoots, ranges, and accuracy.


This was the initial question and the one I was answering. I don't think he was asking about CVA's. Nobody is arguing with you about yours. I stated my experience and that was in response to the initial posting. Again, some CVA's may or may not shoot as well or better than yours or a Savage or a centerfire or anything else. If you like yours, great, I'll stick with my Savage's as I like them. No, they don't have the trigger, the proof barrel, the stock options ....that the Savage has but we aren't discussing that. I have the OPTION to shoot either and I like that option. If it's legal, smokeless hands down beats the other options ALL the time not to mention it's much cleaner.
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#6537844 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Tulie]
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Originally Posted By: Tulie
Originally Posted By: The_Mason
Has anyone ever used this type of muzzleloader? The main questions I have are how it shoots, ranges, and accuracy.


This was the initial question and the one I was answering. I don't think he was asking about CVA's. Nobody is arguing with you about yours. I stated my experience and that was in response to the initial posting. Again, some CVA's may or may not shoot as well or better than yours or a Savage or a centerfire or anything else. If you like yours, great, I'll stick with my Savage's as I like them. No, they don't have the trigger, the proof barrel, the stock options ....that the Savage has but we aren't discussing that. I have the OPTION to shoot either and I like that option. If it's legal, smokeless hands down beats the other options ALL the time not to mention it's much cleaner.



I've already said I have interest in the gun. I just wasn't too impressed with your groups, and said i'd be getting a Savage for other reasons than accuracy, because if I wanted just accuracy the CVA does fine. What I posted wasn't even my gun. Many results like it can be shown like it for CVA's. They're very accurate, but can't shoot smokeless, and that's where my interest is right now.
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#6537994 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]
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You're not impressed by sub inch groups out of a muzzleloader? Well good for you. Guess I'm way too limited then in my experience and knowledge and obviously mine won't work for hunting big game. Guess that also applies to nearly 3/4 of all rifles out there, cause there are a lot of centerfires that barely do an inch or a lot that won't do that well that work just fine for hunting every year. Good for you, half inch groups are great out of most rifles let alone muzzleloaders. Guess just like centerfire, since each shot is a reload, I could work up more accurate loads but to me, sub inch is just fine in my limited abilities. I'll be happy with mine and the fact that I can get a lot higher velocities if I so desire.
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#6538057 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]
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Originally Posted By: Mauser_Hunter
Example?


http://cvaguncases.com/Case___Information_Page.html

Warning the pictures are gross and should not be viewed by those with a weak stomach.

http://cvaguncases.com/Photographs_Page.html
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#6538117 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Tulie]
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Originally Posted By: Tulie
You're not impressed by sub inch groups out of a muzzleloader? Well good for you. Guess I'm way too limited then in my experience and knowledge and obviously mine won't work for hunting big game. Guess that also applies to nearly 3/4 of all rifles out there, cause there are a lot of centerfires that barely do an inch or a lot that won't do that well that work just fine for hunting every year. Good for you, half inch groups are great out of most rifles let alone muzzleloaders. Guess just like centerfire, since each shot is a reload, I could work up more accurate loads but to me, sub inch is just fine in my limited abilities. I'll be happy with mine and the fact that I can get a lot higher velocities if I so desire.


Sorry, I misread your post. You said sub inch 3 shot groups. I read it as 3 inch groups. That wouldn't have been impressive.
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