Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Archaeology proves the Bible is right (AGAIN)

No Deersmeller,

"What a hopeless, loveless and compassion-less view of God and Christianity you paint."

That is the picture you paint, not I. I love the Lord, and He loves me. Though I do not deserve His love, nor His mercy.

What I stated to you is truth. What you do with truth is up to you, you are responsible for it. Not I. I cannot be held responsible for your denial of God and His existence. That's on you.

Deersmeller,

If you do not believe God, or believe in God, it shouldn't make one bit of difference what God thinks, or what His people think. For, if what you believe is correct, then I'm just a foolish dreamer.

However, if I'm right, and your wrong, that's a very different picture isn't it?

Good job high jacking this thread.

Yep!

Great post! Beautiful young woman! Prolly dosen't hurt anything living in Gods country!

I wonder how often the anti-Christians voluntarily disparage Christianity versus how often Christians voluntarily disparage anti-Christianity.

No non-biblical references to a person or even an entire civilization doesn't prove they didn't exist. The Bible makes over 40 references to the Hittite Empire, but before 1906 there was no non-biblical references to the Hittite Empire and skeptics claimed it was just a Biblical myth. That changed when Hugo Winckler dug up over 10,000 clay tablets documenting the long lost Hittite Empire.

In the mid 1800's skeptics advanced the theory that the NT was not written until centuries after the fact, that the stores were handed down orally, and thus, were unreliable. The enter life's work of some such skeptics was relegated to the level of poppy cock starting in 1895 when Bernard Pyne Grenfell and Arthur Surridge Hunt uncovered over 10,000 sheets of papyrus containing everything from bills, diaries, letters, and yes, fragments of many of the books of the NT. Fragment P52 is from the book of John and dates from 90 to 160 AD. Much of the papyrus is in the Chester Beatty collection, some of which is at the University of Michigan. There are leaves from all four books of the Gospel, Acts, Paul's Epistles, Hebrews, and many books of the OT.

Biblical skeptics have been proven wrong so many times that any further claim that something or someone didn't exist because of a lack of non-Biblical evidence has to be seen as baseless.



So you think that God, who could create people out of clay, wouldn't be able to create 2 people with different DNA. You're assuming your conclusion is true in order to arrive at your conclusion. Such circular logic is a common mistake among skeptics.

As for the OT stories that seem so silly, even a casual investigator would discover that ancient Hebrew didn't use vowels and didn't have a distinction between causative and permissive verbs. The claimed age of the Earth comes down to the interpretation of a single Hebrew word, and an equally valid interpretation allows for the Earth to be billions of years old, an idea that seemed ridicules before the 19th century. Don't feel too comfortable in your unbelief based on the iffy translation of ancient Hebrew.

We all accept or reject God on the bases of belief, not on evidence. Only the self-deluded think they know.

There is no proof that "The Jesus" "The Christ" ever existed. What there is, is proof that a Jesus existed. Jesus was common name among the Jews back then just like it is among the Hispanics today. So yes, a "Jesus" existed we just don't know for sure who he was. By the way, there is not much secular history about Jesus. To the Romans he did not matter.

As a Neo-Pagan/Deist I'm more inclined toward natural theology. Mythology is okay but I'm not going to make that the alpha and the omega.

Beautiful young Lady, I�m happy that everything worked out for whatever the reason.

Who says Deersmeller doesn't believe in a Deity? Just because one doesn't believe in the Biblical God doesn't mean one doesn't believe in a Deity.

Actually, history shows that Christians have much harder on other Christians than any anti-Christians have been on Christians.

Get into the literature, Tim. It makes clear that you are mistaken.

Oh I'm not mistaken, I read tons of literature and have listen to many college lectures on the subject. There is little secular proof of THE Jesus, mostly Bible literature.

Thank you my friend.

With good reason. Some professing Christians need their asses kicked.

The whole notion that God chooses some to be saved and some to burn is absurd.God has only predestined what he will do for thoes who choose Jesus.

Yes,God has the right do do anything he wishes with his creation but he has(predestined)made covenant with thoes who will accept his part of the covenant which is Jesus.God will not break covenant as that would make him a liar and he is not a man that he should lie.

If God was just going to choose who would be saved and who would not,there would have been no reason for Jesus to make the sacrifice and pay the price for thoes who would accept it.God could just choose and Jesus could have stayed in Heaven.

JBabcack
I am sure you think you are correct but when you misinterpret some scripture it won't agree with other scripture.There is just too much scripture that tells us that God would have all men saved.

The bottom line is that I believe Jesus is a real person.You cannot convince me that he is not real because he talks with me every day.I have a relationship with him.I can see how that realtionship makes every aspect of my life better.I have seen the same experience in other people's lives.I have never witnessed another force that affected so many people so profoundly for so long.How can anyone say such a force isn't real.

There will always be fakes,charlatans,or just misinformed zelots,who make Christians look bad.That doesn't mean there aren't real Christians trying their best to be Christ like.There are also many counterfeit $100 bills but I'm not just going to throw away everyone I get because of a few bad ones.

The free will/predestination debate has been going on for about 1700 years. I suggest for your consideration, gentlemen, that we will not solve that problem by hijacking this thread.

I'm sure you are right,but we really aren't ever going to SOLVE any debate here.

This thread has been so many places and directions,I didn't consider it hijackable.

That brought a tear....