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They dead dumb guy committed a crime the moment he holstered his weapon and then ventured out into the public domain. RISJR, and this would apply equally to LEO having a drink after work but still carrying? Or an officer under medication. Should we assume officers do not engage in drinking or peform their duties while under medication? How about the cops using steriods, should they be shot on sight? A citizen�s arrest outside a bar resulting in the officer�s death due to officer�s non compliance to citizen�s order to dis arm and hit the ground on his knees. That is what you would want isn�t it? Lawful conduct. So if the officer didn't understand a citizen could arrest him it would then be a justifiable shooting according to you. There would be no other position available if we all are as equal citizens, correct? That would have to be so unless you feel officers are above the law. I think anyone can see if the same standards are imposed equally what chaos would result.
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You can assume all the irrelevance you wish to. I thought this thread was about this dumb,dead guy,not tomorrow's next dead,dumb guy.
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So one should not attempt to frame your logic beyond the immediate position you stake. not a universal logic, but case selective.
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They dead dumb guy committed a crime the moment he holstered his weapon and then ventured out into the public domain. RISJR, and this would apply equally to LEO having a drink after work but still carrying? Or an officer under medication. Should we assume officers do not engage in drinking or peform their duties while under medication? How about the cops using steriods, should they be shot on sight? A citizen�s arrest outside a bar resulting in the officer�s death due to officer�s non compliance to citizen�s order to dis arm and hit the ground on his knees. That is what you would want isn�t it? Lawful conduct. So if the officer didn't understand a citizen could arrest him it would then be a justifiable shooting according to you. There would be no other position available if we all are as equal citizens, correct? That would have to be so unless you feel officers are above the law. I think anyone can see if the same standards are imposed equally what chaos would result. +1. A point I've made many times at the Fire over the years, i.e., the double standard.
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Can you imagine what the officer�s reaction would be to that lawful order? Bullets would be flying everywhere, unlike the Costco event which only had a holstered weapon and the imagination was sufficient to warrant the murder.
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Morphine is more susceptible to abuse and addiction than other drugs of the opioid class. It's not used outside a monitored medical care often because there are other drugs that work as good or better with less problems.
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They dead dumb guy committed a crime the moment he holstered his weapon and then ventured out into the public domain. RISJR, and this would apply equally to LEO having a drink after work but still carrying? Or an officer under medication. Should we assume officers do not engage in drinking or peform their duties while under medication? How about the cops using steriods, should they be shot on sight? A citizen�s arrest outside a bar resulting in the officer�s death due to officer�s non compliance to citizen�s order to dis arm and hit the ground on his knees. That is what you would want isn�t it? Lawful conduct. So if the officer didn't understand a citizen could arrest him it would then be a justifiable shooting according to you. There would be no other position available if we all are as equal citizens, correct? That would have to be so unless you feel officers are above the law. I think anyone can see if the same standards are imposed equally what chaos would result. +1. A point I've made many times at the Fire over the years, i.e., the double standard. The scenario you're describing didn't happen. You're engaging in fantasy. To use your own quote, just saying.
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Dammit...I'm never going fishing again. Look at what I've been missing. Again.
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The scenario you're describing didn't happen. You're engaging in fantasy. To use your own quote, just saying.
In your case, you were using made up facts to justify what the cops did. Richard was saying, "what if the tables were turned," i.e., pointing out a double standard.
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You'd get about as fair a trial as that "White Mexican" has a chance of getting trial by media. Looks like Zimmerman has done the smart thing and gone underground, perhaps skipping to South America where he'll blend right in. It's become clear that the system is trying to railroad an innocent man for political points, and no one is obliged to subject themselves to that process. ========== Good lord you're a dumbschit. He arrived back to Florida last night and is with his lawyer preparing to turn himself in by the 230 deadline. Done the smart thing and fleed? You would not be teaching kids if I lived in your part of Florida,that I assure you. You are one sick,idiot. So Mr right on top of this [bleep] were's the picture of the no guns sign. Oh you haven't had enough time LOL
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actually I stated a hypothetical scenario not claiming that they were facts. No different that what was mentioned by Richard.
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Dammit...I'm never going fishing again. Look at what I've been missing. Again. Again indeed, I'm about to go fishing so you can fill in for me. Enjoy GONE FISHING, BE BACK SOON.....Maybe
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actually I stated a hypothetical scenario not claiming that they were facts. No different that what was mentioned by Richard. Different in that you were suggesting that your hypothetical justified the police response somehow.
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If a Copper yelled at me to disarm, what would be wrong with doin a bellyflop spread eagle and let them disarm ya?
I would NOT touch the gun I was concealing.
Gunner You show unusual insight and wisdom for a thread of this type.
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If a Copper yelled at me to disarm, what would be wrong with doin a bellyflop spread eagle and let them disarm ya?
I would NOT touch the gun I was concealing.
Gunner You show unusual insight and wisdom for a thread of this type. What can I say Main? Copper's like me.  Gunner
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You're pretty hard not to like.
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You're pretty hard not to like. Agreed. If everyone possessed your common sense gunner, there would be no questionable shootings by Peace Officers. They would either be completely wrong or completely justified.
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You're pretty hard not to like. Good thing, cause iffin i was'nt you woulda kicked my butt at the Boar hunt. Gunner
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I think you're making all that stuff up. It's not like me to mess with people. 
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