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#6592605 - 06/14/12 07:30 AM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: pullit]
MontanaCreekHunter Offline
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Originally Posted By: pullit
Originally Posted By: MontanaCreekHunter
But you have to clean Beretta's! I have both too but I perfer not to have to clean mine gun. Call me lazy.


I can tell you that if I don't clean my Benelli's, they don't run every time. I have had others tell me that they don't clean their guns and they run fine. I can tell you this, my Benelli's will not shoot like my Beretta's do clean or dirty, rain, or shine, snow or dusty.



That right there is bullchit. Anyone even remorely having an understanding of the two guns operating system knows that. I will gladly meet you half way and do a head to head comparision. I'll even give you a head up and bring my gun as is which as of right now hasn't been clean since 2010 and has somewhere in the ballpark of 10K shells thru it. Loser hands over his gun to the winner.

Whats even more funny about this is that there are cleaning kits just for the Beretta 390-391. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that if there wasn't a need for special cleaning tools, then there wouldn't be a kit.

I have (303,390,391,3901) and like Beretta's and they are great shooting guns, but to say that a beretta is going to outrun a Benelli is just plain crazy. There are benefits to the Beretta's gas system but not cleaning surely isn't one of them.
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#6592617 - 06/14/12 07:34 AM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: battue]
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Your results are close to mine, I get around 1400-1500 rounds thru my 391's before I have a hull hang in the ejection port. A quick wipe of the gas system and I am good to go for a few hundred more rounds.
A good cleaning of the barrel piston and extension and I am set for about 1500 more rounds.

I like you feel guilty letting one run that many rounds before cleaning it.
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#6592632 - 06/14/12 07:39 AM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: battue]
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Originally Posted By: battue
The Beretta 391 will be no longer produced in a couple years and will be replaced by the XCell 400. This comes from a high volume Beretta dealer.

Will the XCell out perform the 391? So far from around March of this year I've put approximately 4000 rounds thru mine. It has hiccuped twice. Last run was around 2000 rounds without cleaning, other than wiping it down. No malfunctions. I cleaned it the other day, just because I was starting to feel guilty. The trigger mechanism was remarkably clean. When I used to shoot a SuperX Model 1, the trigger would look like a dirty grease pit after that many rounds. The chamber area had no visible pitting. The new gas piston cleaned up quickly. Essentially doused it in Clenzoil, let it sit for 5minutes and wiped the carbon build up off. Did have to spend some time getting the carbon buildup off the inside of the barrel extension that holds the piston.

Have had 391s that wouldn't hang with this sample of one XCell for malfunctions and staying clean. Although talking with other shooters who are using them, it seems to be typical.

I think Beretta has hit a home run with the new version.

Addition: A guy I was shooting with the other day had some of the Winchester "Feather" shotshells, which are light kickers that only go 980fps. I tried them in the XCell. They functioned. The cycling was definitely slow, but function they did. However, I'm sure they wouldn't function reliably over the long haul.


Battue I know a few guys other then you shooting the XCell and all love it so far. I might have to pick one up soon.
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#6592682 - 06/14/12 08:01 AM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: MontanaCreekHunter]
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Downsides so far, the trigger is not all that crisp and the hammer has a long way to go to connect with the firing pin. Guessing the trigger can be improved slightly by someone who knows how, but I'm used to it. You also get used to the longer lock time rather quickly.
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#6593256 - 06/14/12 11:13 AM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: battue]
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Well hopefully we can find a sporting clays shoot this season we both have time to make. Then I can give yours a whirl.
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#6593321 - 06/14/12 11:41 AM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: MontanaCreekHunter]
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Pa state shoot is July 12-15th at the Rock. I already have room reservations. Would be a good one. Probably close to equal distance for both of us.


Edited by battue (06/14/12 11:55 AM)
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#6593651 - 06/14/12 01:57 PM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: battue]
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I might be able to make that one. Always a fun place to shoot. Wait that was the last place we shoot together! LOL
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#6593653 - 06/14/12 01:58 PM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: MontanaCreekHunter]
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Originally Posted By: MontanaCreekHunter
I know for a fact I have put 150 flats thru one of my Benelli's in just over a year and thats only counting clays shooting. Not a single hick-up.
Geez, I hope you take time out every few days for a sandwich.. laugh laugh

That's a lot of shootin'....
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#6593827 - 06/14/12 03:02 PM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: Redneck]
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Redneck I eat as much as I shoot. Just ask Battue!
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#6593918 - 06/14/12 03:47 PM Re: Quality of Italian semi-auto shotguns? [Re: orion03]
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Originally Posted By: orion03
As far as double guns go you get what you pay for in the Italian market. From my experience the lower priced guns are nothing to write home about.


Depends where you draw your line as to lower end. I have used the Beretta 68_ series for over 20 years and find them outstanding; have four at this moment in various dress. Nothing close on the market for my use.

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