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Say I'm shooting a long bullet out of a marginal twist (105Amax 1-10). I'm getting good groups out to 300 with these bullets and twists. Right now it's warm out and winter will hit -30c out. How does cold weather change bullet stability? Another question I have, does a bullet that is stable at 200 yards will it be stable at say 500-700 yards or will it become unstable as the bullets slows down?
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Cold weather makes it harder for the bullet to stabilize, so you'll have to re-test in the winter. If the bullet is stable during the coldest, driest days in winter, then it'll always be stable in that climate.
The rotational velocity stays fairly constant as the bullet moves downrange, but the forward velocity decreases. The bullet gets more and more stable as it progresses downrange.
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Among BPCR folks the classic 45 cal 405 gov slug is stable out to 400 to 600 yds and then goes to crap. Folks step up to longer 540+ grain slugs for the 1000 yd work.
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The transonic velocity range can do a number on most bullets.
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Cold weather makes it harder for the bullet to stabilize, so you'll have to re-test in the winter. If the bullet is stable during the coldest, driest days in winter, then it'll always be stable in that climate.
The rotational velocity stays fairly constant as the bullet moves downrange, but the forward velocity decreases. The bullet gets more and more stable as it progresses downrange. I have a hard time believing that colder more dense air makes it harder for a bullet to stabilize. I understand that some powders and primers may act differently resulting in less velocity, but I'd like to read a source on that stability problem. Every airplane I've ever flown flies better the colder it gets. Thanks, Wsmnut
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The 'simplest' source for you to read is the JBM Ballistics site; just play with the variables. McCoy may give you the hard math you would want/need. Litz gives a decent lay explanation.
Your airplane 'flies better the colder it gets' because the higher-density air 'pushes harder' on the fins which stabilize it in flight. A small arms bullet does not utilize fins, it uses gyroscopic stabilization to counteract its aerodynamic instability. Gyroscopic stabilization is not particularly impacted by air density, but aerodynamic stability is. Therefore, higher-density air has a greater negative impact on a bullet's aerodynamic stability, without simultaneously improving gyroscopic stability, and thus higher-density (i.e. colder) air degrades overall dynamic stability.
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I have a hard time believing that colder more dense air makes it harder for a bullet to stabilize. I understand that some powders and primers may act differently resulting in less velocity, but I'd like to read a source on that stability problem. Every airplane I've ever flown flies better the colder it gets. Gyroscopic stability of a projectile and the lift of a wing are two different things.
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A plane is relying on the density of air to provide lift. Cold is is more dense than warm air. A bullet is doing something very different. Rather than pushing on the air and using air density to lift up, a bullet is simply trying to cut through the air with as little drag and turbulence as possible. The less dense the air is, the easier it is for the bullet to travel down range, and the smaller the chance that the air will destabilize it. From Lilja's website: "Interestingly, changes in air density also have an effect on the twist rate required to stabilize a bullet. That is, when air density decreases, there is a decrease in the amount of spin required to keep a bullet flying point on. Conversely, when the density of the air increases, more spin is required." "If a bullet is fired from a barrel that has no rifling, the force exerted on the nose of the bullet by the air will cause it to flip over and its trajectory will be wild. To overcome this tendency, a bullet is spin-stabilized by rotating it about its long axis. The amount of spin required is determined by the specific gravity, shape and construction of the bullet, bullet velocity, and the density of the air it is going to travel through." "It is interesting to note that this force, or overturning moment, acting on the bullet nose is greatest when the bullet first exits the barrel. If a certain bullet-barrel combination will stabilize a bullet at the muzzle, the bullet will remain stable for the rest of its flight. Why is this so? As a bullet flies on toward the target and beyond, it is losing velocity rapidly as any trajectory table will show. For example a 68 grain bullet from a 6PPC leaving the barrel at 3150 fps will be going 2786 fps at 100 yards and 2449 fps at 200 yards (ballistic coefficient of .265 and standard metro conditions). The rotational speed of the bullet or its RPM's decreases at a much slower rate. The overall result is a lessening force acting on the bullet nose, and that force is being overcome by a proportionately greater spin rate compared to forward velocity. The down-range bullet therefore is more stable than it was at the muzzle. The only exception to this occurs when the bullet passes through the speed of sound. At that velocity, about 1180 fps, it may lose stability." http://www.riflebarrels.com/article...s_altitude_temperature_rifling_twist.htm
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A plane is relying on the density of air to provide lift. Cold is is more dense than warm air. A bullet is doing something very different. Rather than pushing on the air and using air density to lift up, a bullet is simply trying to cut through the air with as little drag and turbulence as possible. The less dense the air is, the easier it is for the bullet to travel down range, and the smaller the chance that the air will destabilize it. From Lilja's website: "Interestingly, changes in air density also have an effect on the twist rate required to stabilize a bullet. That is, when air density decreases, there is a decrease in the amount of spin required to keep a bullet flying point on. Conversely, when the density of the air increases, more spin is required." "If a bullet is fired from a barrel that has no rifling, the force exerted on the nose of the bullet by the air will cause it to flip over and its trajectory will be wild. To overcome this tendency, a bullet is spin-stabilized by rotating it about its long axis. The amount of spin required is determined by the specific gravity, shape and construction of the bullet, bullet velocity, and the density of the air it is going to travel through." "It is interesting to note that this force, or overturning moment, acting on the bullet nose is greatest when the bullet first exits the barrel. If a certain bullet-barrel combination will stabilize a bullet at the muzzle, the bullet will remain stable for the rest of its flight. Why is this so? As a bullet flies on toward the target and beyond, it is losing velocity rapidly as any trajectory table will show. For example a 68 grain bullet from a 6PPC leaving the barrel at 3150 fps will be going 2786 fps at 100 yards and 2449 fps at 200 yards (ballistic coefficient of .265 and standard metro conditions). The rotational speed of the bullet or its RPM's decreases at a much slower rate. The overall result is a lessening force acting on the bullet nose, and that force is being overcome by a proportionately greater spin rate compared to forward velocity. The down-range bullet therefore is more stable than it was at the muzzle. The only exception to this occurs when the bullet passes through the speed of sound. At that velocity, about 1180 fps, it may lose stability." http://www.riflebarrels.com/article...s_altitude_temperature_rifling_twist.htm Thanks! That was a good read. Wsmnut
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Thanks Jordan, that's what I was thinking about the colder temps. Just didn't want to have something go wrong and miss a gimme on a deer or coyote this winter.
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Most bullets are statically unstable in flight because their center of pressure (or CP, the theoretical point through which all aerodynamic forces act) is forward of the center of gravity/center of mass (CG/CM). An object flying CP before CG is like an arrow that's shot fletchings first, it is statically unstable and wants desperately to turn around so the CP is in the rear, where it was intended to be. This also is why front-engined cars are more stable than rear engined cars (remember the " unsafe at any speed" Chevy Corvair?). Two factors determine how strong the aerodynamic forces are that act through the CP: bullet velocity and air density. The more dense (colder) the air is, the stronger the "overturning torque" is that's trying to flip the bullet over and make it fly butt first. And the stronger the gyroscopic stability must be in order to counteract it. In a nutshell, bullet stability is a wrasslin' match between this overturning torque and gyroscopic stability. Some bullets do fly CG before CP, and don't need to be spun to remain stable, but they're always very un-aerodynamic shapes, like Foster slugs and wasp-waisted diabolo airgun pellets. These are spun, slightly, but for improved regularity of flight, not for added stability (the same reason the fletchings on some arrows are canted).
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