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Originally Posted by HugAJackass
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Good on the Ron Paul supporters for their efforts.
Yeah, you'd think some of our "conservatives" here at the Fire would welcome a shakedown of the party system at the local level, tossing out the RINOs. Puzzling.


That would be the doing of the Tea Party, not Ron Paul.


HugAJackass,

You have repeatedly demonstrated lack of knowledge which facilitates your corrupted agenda. It is voters like you which guided our Founding Fathers away from creating a democracy. They knew that POOR WHITES -limiting suffrage had nothing to do with revisionists' sexism or racism- would vote themselves control over the treasury thereby destroying our country. In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote that America will be in peril once voters realize they can trade their votes for governmental largess, which is precisely the fear of our Founding Fathers.

You have no clue how close we are to total financial collapse. And your blind support for a neocon, who will not slow its occurrence, will contribute to the worst calamity this world has ever known save the crucifixion of Jesus.

Your specious arguments that are designed to support Oromney serve only to dupe other naive Oromney supporters. Here's a clue for you: never draw any conclusions from an historical event without analyzing the context of the era in which the event occurred. Therefore, to compare Oromney to Reagan is flatly stupid.

Get up to speed. Use critical thinking skills. Gather FACTS and make predictions. We owe over 130 trillion dollars. Social Security is insolvent now. Obamacare wasn't so much about socialized medicine but about addressing the close to 100 trillion dollar Medicare and prescription dug benefit liabilities for which we'll never be good. We're never going to be good for what we owe.

We are living in an unprecedented era in a never before seen confluence of negative economic factors, in the aggregate, are probably going to destroy our country. You see, if our economy collapses so will our government as we know it.

At the rate we're going and in the current economic climate in which we're living, it's not a question of if but when. And when it occurs, the patrimony of our Founding Fathers will disappear the next day. You will live under martial law. You will be fed, assuming food is available, by the government. There will be no natural rights, including the right to life. You will own nothing. And governmental agents will take your guns and there won't be a damned thing you will be able to do about it unless you want to die on your porch, in which case you will have died for nothing.

Government cannot exist unless it can exert control over its citizens. Laws are our government's primary method of control. While our Founding Fathers created a nation of laws, should our economy collapse we will become a nation of a very few men who will control the rest of us using ANY means available. Agents of the government have already illegally seized guns from citizens during Hurricane Katrina. Not only did citizens from other areas of the country stand idly by while our government blatantly violated other Americans' Second Amendment rights, morons were actually condoning such a flagrant violation of our Bill of Rights. Moreover, in Arcadia IA, governmental agents have staged an training exercise the objective of which was seizing guns from citizens. Worse, Bush 43 signed a reciprocity agreement with the Canadian government the gist of which allows the Canadian military to breach our borders in order quell an insurrection within our country. A foreign military invading our country is an act of war, except under Bush 43.

Your naive mind should have pondered the obvious question, "What was Bush thinking is likely to occur in our country to have compelled him to sign such a treaty?"

We HAVE lost our sovereignty. We must evict the UN. It has no authority to violate our sovereignty. Oromney will move us closer to a one-world-government. We have no business invoking our will within the businesses of other countries unless they poses imminent threats to the USA. I could give a rat's ass how a Middle Eastern country wants to govern itself. It ain't worth one American soldier's live. Nor is monied interest in oil in that region worth one American soldier's life. But the reasonable question has yet to be asked: if we can invoke our will in other countries' businesses, what logic would prevent their reciprocating?

Ron Paul is the father of the Tea Party. You have propensity for making stuff up and writing it here as though it's legitimate. Either you haven't a clue or you're an Oromney seminar poster.

Oromney KNOWS he cannot win without Paul's supporters. And I know of no Paul supporter who will vote for Oromney because we know he's a copy of the same species. And never forget this: Paul supporters are better educated and of more wealth than supporters of any other candidate. We know derisive adjectives such as "kooky" are propaganda terms designed to duped the naive. Paul supporters are better informed than other voters. We know where we've been, where we are, and where we're headed.

So you keep plugging for Oromney. Paul supporters will not contribute to the destruction of our country. And, yes, it is a sad FACT that the Kenyan has a better gun rights track record than your man, Oromney.

HugAJAckass, it is scary that that you're able to vote my freedoms away.


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Originally Posted by RDFinn
Yes he does. To bad his core kookery gets in the way


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Please give me just one example of what you have termed Ron Paul's kookery.


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taking over? There are only a handful of rabid PaulBots. They could not take over a frigging hot dog stand.


Mannlicher,

Here's a fact for you: Oromney knows that he has no chance of beating Obama without support from Ron Paul's supporters. I know of no Paul supporter who will vote for Oromney.


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And I know of no Paul supporter who will vote for Oromney because we know he's a copy of the same species. And never forget this: Paul supporters are better educated and of more wealth than supporters of any other candidate.


Really! That second statement offsets the first. What Ron Paul supporters are-they full of themselves. Just like the Democrats, they know what is best for everybody and if we don't let them run things, they want to just throw it all away. A bunch of spoiled brats that think of themselves and to hell with everybody else. I first heard this of Bill Clinton, but it fits Ron Paul too. If Ron Paul is the answer, it was one stupid question. miles


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Here's a fact for you: Oromney knows that he has no chance of beating Obama without support from Ron Paul's supporters. I know of no Paul supporter who will vote for Oromney.


So much for country first. miles


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Originally Posted by Raisuli
Originally Posted by HugAJackass
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by pal
Good on the Ron Paul supporters for their efforts.
Yeah, you'd think some of our "conservatives" here at the Fire would welcome a shakedown of the party system at the local level, tossing out the RINOs. Puzzling.


That would be the doing of the Tea Party, not Ron Paul.


HugAJackass,

You have repeatedly demonstrated lack of knowledge which facilitates your corrupted agenda. It is voters like you which guided our Founding Fathers away from creating a democracy. They knew that POOR WHITES -limiting suffrage had nothing to do with revisionists' sexism or racism- would vote themselves control over the treasury thereby destroying our country. In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote that America will be in peril once voters realize they can trade their votes for governmental largess, which is precisely the fear of our Founding Fathers.

You have no clue how close we are to total financial collapse. And your blind support for a neocon, who will not slow its occurrence, will contribute to the worst calamity this world has ever known save the crucifixion of Jesus.

Your specious arguments that are designed to support Oromney serve only to dupe other naive Oromney supporters. Here's a clue for you: never draw any conclusions from an historical event without analyzing the context of the era in which the event occurred. Therefore, to compare Oromney to Reagan is flatly stupid.

Get up to speed. Use critical thinking skills. Gather FACTS and make predictions. We owe over 130 trillion dollars. Social Security is insolvent now. Obamacare wasn't so much about socialized medicine but about addressing the close to 100 trillion dollar Medicare and prescription dug benefit liabilities for which we'll never be good. We're never going to be good for what we owe.

We are living in an unprecedented era in a never before seen confluence of negative economic factors, in the aggregate, are probably going to destroy our country. You see, if our economy collapses so will our government as we know it.

At the rate we're going and in the current economic climate in which we're living, it's not a question of if but when. And when it occurs, the patrimony of our Founding Fathers will disappear the next day. You will live under martial law. You will be fed, assuming food is available, by the government. There will be no natural rights, including the right to life. You will own nothing. And governmental agents will take your guns and there won't be a damned thing you will be able to do about it unless you want to die on your porch, in which case you will have died for nothing.

Government cannot exist unless it can exert control over its citizens. Laws are our government's primary method of control. While our Founding Fathers created a nation of laws, should our economy collapse we will become a nation of a very few men who will control the rest of us using ANY means available. Agents of the government have already illegally seized guns from citizens during Hurricane Katrina. Not only did citizens from other areas of the country stand idly by while our government blatantly violated other Americans' Second Amendment rights, morons were actually condoning such a flagrant violation of our Bill of Rights. Moreover, in Arcadia IA, governmental agents have staged an training exercise the objective of which was seizing guns from citizens. Worse, Bush 43 signed a reciprocity agreement with the Canadian government the gist of which allows the Canadian military to breach our borders in order quell an insurrection within our country. A foreign military invading our country is an act of war, except under Bush 43.

Your naive mind should have pondered the obvious question, "What was Bush thinking is likely to occur in our country to have compelled him to sign such a treaty?"

We HAVE lost our sovereignty. We must evict the UN. It has no authority to violate our sovereignty. Oromney will move us closer to a one-world-government. We have no business invoking our will within the businesses of other countries unless they poses imminent threats to the USA. I could give a rat's ass how a Middle Eastern country wants to govern itself. It ain't worth one American soldier's live. Nor is monied interest in oil in that region worth one American soldier's life. But the reasonable question has yet to be asked: if we can invoke our will in other countries' businesses, what logic would prevent their reciprocating?

Ron Paul is the father of the Tea Party. You have propensity for making stuff up and writing it here as though it's legitimate. Either you haven't a clue or you're an Oromney seminar poster.

Oromney KNOWS he cannot win without Paul's supporters. And I know of no Paul supporter who will vote for Oromney because we know he's a copy of the same species. And never forget this: Paul supporters are better educated and of more wealth than supporters of any other candidate. We know derisive adjectives such as "kooky" are propaganda terms designed to duped the naive. Paul supporters are better informed than other voters. We know where we've been, where we are, and where we're headed.

So you keep plugging for Oromney. Paul supporters will not contribute to the destruction of our country. And, yes, it is a sad FACT that the Kenyan has a better gun rights track record than your man, Oromney.

HugAJAckass, it is scary that that you're able to vote my freedoms away.


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HugAJackass is one of our most talented disinformation agents, Raisuli. He doesn't believe half of what he says. His job is to impersonate a patriotic and conservative American so as to short-circuit efforts on the part of authentically conservative and patriotic members of the Fire to provide real and relevant information. That's his job, and he does it very well.

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And I know of no Paul supporter who will vote for Oromney because we know he's a copy of the same species. And never forget this: Paul supporters are better educated and of more wealth than supporters of any other candidate.


Really! That second statement offsets the first. What Ron Paul supporters are-they full of themselves. Just like the Democrats, they know what is best for everybody and if we don't let them run things, they want to just throw it all away. A bunch of spoiled brats that think of themselves and to hell with everybody else. I first heard this of Bill Clinton, but it fits Ron Paul too. If Ron Paul is the answer, it was one stupid question. miles


milespatton,

The two statements are consistent. You see, Miles, Ron Paul supporters KNOW Obama and Oromney are one in the same.

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HugAJAckass, it is scary that that you're able to vote my freedoms away.


He won't have to vote them away, you will give them away because your man did not get the nomination. mad miles


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Ron Paul supporters KNOW Obama and Oromney are one in the same.


Ron Paul supporters are idiots just like Ron Paul. miles


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"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government."
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Ron Paul supporters KNOW Obama and Oromney are one in the same.


Ron Paul supporters are idiots just like Ron Paul. miles


They're not idiots. They are naive and immature little spoiled children who throw a fit when they don't get exactly what they want. They have a tough time dealing with the mean old big world.


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Originally Posted by eh76
Ron Paul has some good points....just not enough of them.



And here I thought the campfire liked the constitution...

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miles,


"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government."
***Thomas Paine***


And just how is helping re-elect Obama doing anything towards that goal. He did a bunch of damage in his first four years and will do untold more damage in another four when not worried about being re-elected. He is ignoring the Senate and House and making law just on Presidential order and everybody seems OK with that. When he is not making law he is ignoring the laws that suit his agenda, and you think ignoring that and giving him four more years will protect you country-idiots. miles


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Originally Posted by milespatton
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Ron Paul supporters KNOW Obama and Oromney are one in the same.


Ron Paul supporters are idiots just like Ron Paul. miles


Anyone can make a statement. It's another thing entirely to cogently support it. Please give me one example of how Ron Paul supporters are idiots. Conversely, Oromney supporters are naive to believe he will be different -assuming he's elected- from the Kenyan now occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. In fact, he might turn out to be worse if his record is an accurate indicator of this future actions. In short, Oromney's rap sheet is worse than Obama's.

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Originally Posted by JustOneGunner
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Ron Paul has some good points....just not enough of them.



And here I thought the campfire liked the constitution...
Unfortunately, it appears that the Campfire is virtually riddled with professional disinformation agents. And their dupes follow blindly along.

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miles,

You have to think outside of the box. You have to disabuse yourself of the belief that Oromney will be better than that which we're now plagued.

The very existence of our country might well depend upon this election. If we blow it, it could be our last. If you really believe Oromney will bring deliverance, vote for him. As for me, I do not so believe. In fact, I do not trust Ormoney at all.

I have identified the best possible candidate, the only one with a firm understanding of foreign policy and its predictable consequences. Moreover, Paul knows more about economic affairs than any candidate since Reagan. He predicted the Fed's destruction of our country decades ago. A 1914 US dollar is worth less than a nickel today. He predicted the housing crisis, a calamity so severe that it's doubtful that we'll ever see the bottom of it. God only knows how many people have had their retirement savings wiped out by disappeared equity in their homes. The next crisis will be student loans in which over a trillion bucks of cyber money will disappear.

Please don't feign anger at Paul supporters. We know what's occurring and who's responsible. As much as I do not like Obama, he does have a point in that this economic crisis was put in place since the Clinton presidency and probably long before that...say 1914 when the Fed was illegally created.

I am not angered at Oromney supporters. Posters like The_Real_Hawkeye and me are merely trying to bring facts to light. And one undeniable fact is that it's assumption at best that Ormoney will be any better than Obama.

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"I am not angered at Oromney supporters. Posters like The_Real_Hawkeye and me are merely trying to bring facts to light. And one undeniable fact is that it's assumption at best that Ormoney will be any better than Obama."

We are in big trouble here at the 'fire. Only two or three guys here have any smarts at all?? Don't desert us. please.


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Jeez,......this year's KOTY is going to be a close run thing.



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"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government."
***Thomas Paine***


And just how is helping re-elect Obama doing anything towards that goal. He did a bunch of damage in his first four years and will do untold more damage in another four when not worried about being re-elected. He is ignoring the Senate and House and making law just on Presidential order and everybody seems OK with that. When he is not making law he is ignoring the laws that suit his agenda, and you think ignoring that and giving him four more years will protect you country-idiots. miles


miles,

Will Paul supporters help to reelect Obama or will Romeny supporters help to reelect Obama?

Romeny is a neocon who's record and platform are antithetical to the beliefs of those of us who cherish what little freedoms we have left.

Why would you want to force Paul supporters to accept a candidate who might be worse than the Kenyan?

I am of the opinion that political journalists, 90+% of whom are liberal Democrats, propagandized Republicans into believing that only Romney could beat Obama in order to dupe them into nominating him all the while knowing that Obama will beat Romney.

Americans are the most propagandized voters in the world and most susceptible to falling prey to it.

Pray for a brokered convention lest Obama gets four more years...


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