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hey all
Been trying to get a mostly stock rem 700 .300 wsm to shoot reliably. best group has been about 3 inches at 100. stock has been removed and bedded, barrel has been floated, and that helped a little. Bullet/powder combo has been 180 grn partitions, and IMR 4350. any ideas would be greatly helpful.
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Sir, Try Varget and R-15 with 168 TTSX. If it won't shoot with either of those combos its likely a lemon. Assuming of course scope and mounts are sound. Bill
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H4350........How far off the lands are you running those pt's? Sounds like you've got something really wrong. What scope and mounting system are you running?? Your rem 700 doesn't like your screen name either
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Try RL 17 with 165/168 barnes ttsx bullets, my M70 shoots 3/4 inch groups with 66.5 gr RL 17 and the 165 gr ttsx. If that don't work then trade in the 700 for a M70.
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Try RL 17 with 165/168 barnes ttsx bullets, my M70 shoots 3/4 inch groups with 66.5 gr RL 17 and the 165 gr ttsx. If that don't work then trade in the 700 for a M70. You'd think with his screen name, he would have bought a ruger m77 instead.....Then I'd be walking him through bedding it right so it shoots sub moa......
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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RL17 with no compression and Magpro with 7% compression is what I'm going to be running in mine with 180's.
Same powders but 10% compression for the Magpro with 168's.
But then, I'm a speed freak.
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hey all
Been trying to get a mostly stock rem 700 .300 wsm to shoot reliably. best group has been about 3 inches at 100. stock has been removed and bedded, barrel has been floated, and that helped a little. Bullet/powder combo has been 180 grn partitions, and IMR 4350. any ideas would be greatly helpful.
Thanks ....................Variety! Variety! Variety! Many variables here. More bullet variety is needed other than just the Nosler Partitions. IMR 4350 is a pretty good powder choice for a 300 WSM, but there may be other powders which might be more accurate for "your" particular individual rifle. Try some H-4350, RL17, IMR 4007, N150 to name a few. You are also going to have to play around with your seating depths to determine what bullet jump distances your rifle happens to prefer the best. Everyone here can give you their favorite powder choice, a favorite charge weight, an OAL, their favorite bullet choices and so on which gives them the best accuracys from their rifles. But their 300 WSMs and my 300 WSM,,,,,,,,isn`t your 300 WSM. From the box new using factory ammo and prior to my reloading for it, my Ruger 300 WSM never had groups exceeding 1 5/8". No bedding or free floating from Ruger. Since new, I tailor my loads (powders, bullets, etc) and seating depths to what the rifle prefers and not to what I necessarily prefer. I recently had it bedded and free floated. Now most of my best groups are under 3/4" with some at 1/2". Buy the rifle new? Buy it used? No scope issues? Scope mounts tight? Bore in good shape? If all of those issues are OK, then expand your loading variety and adjust the OALs in 15/1000 increments. No short cuts.
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my rem 700 300wsm likes 150 and 165 nosler accubonds over h414 with win mag primers.
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Go with a max load of Ramshot Hunter over a mag primer and just about any 165gr or 180gr bullet. You can thank me later. George
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hey all
Been trying to get a mostly stock rem 700 .300 wsm to shoot reliably. best group has been about 3 inches at 100. stock has been removed and bedded, barrel has been floated, and that helped a little. Bullet/powder combo has been 180 grn partitions, and IMR 4350. any ideas would be greatly helpful.
Thanks ....................Variety! Variety! Variety! Many variables here. More bullet variety is needed other than just the Nosler Partitions. IMR 4350 is a pretty good powder choice for a 300 WSM, but there may be other powders which might be more accurate for "your" particular individual rifle. Try some H-4350, RL17, IMR 4007, N150 to name a few. You are also going to have to play around with your seating depths to determine what bullet jump distances your rifle happens to prefer the best. Everyone here can give you their favorite powder choice, a favorite charge weight, an OAL, their favorite bullet choices and so on which gives them the best accuracys from their rifles. But their 300 WSMs and my 300 WSM,,,,,,,,isn`t your 300 WSM. From the box new using factory ammo and prior to my reloading for it, my Ruger 300 WSM never had groups exceeding 1 5/8". No bedding or free floating from Ruger. Since new, I tailor my loads (powders, bullets, etc) and seating depths to what the rifle prefers and not to what I necessarily prefer. I recently had it bedded and free floated. Now most of my best groups are under 3/4" with some at 1/2". Buy the rifle new? Buy it used? No scope issues? Scope mounts tight? Bore in good shape? If all of those issues are OK, then expand your loading variety and adjust the OALs in 15/1000 increments. No short cuts. Good post, hit it dead on. Common sense answer. Also I will bet that a good portion of his problem is he cant handle a fully loaded mag. Seen a bunch who couldnt handle the pounding. Flinch, jerk, close the eyes, seen it a bunch. Chity groups it does cause. RL17 with no compression and Magpro with 7% compression is what I'm going to be running in mine with 180's.
Same powders but 10% compression for the Magpro with 168's.
But then, I'm a speed freak. Speed doesnt mean accuracy. But ya cant teach stupid. Swifty
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I spoke with the ballistician at Nosler when I was there back in Oct, he stated RL19 is the powder, almost tailor made for the 300WSM. Well, I tried it and haven't been let down. I am running the 180 AB's around 3030 and the accuracy seems excellent. I am running plain old WW cases, and CCI250's for primers. Overall, I am pretty happy, although, I wanna try out some 200 AB's later. I think 2900 would be very possible with them and they should be excellent on elk.
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The 700's have a fairly short mag box, steated out to the max length allowed by the mag box can you get close to the lands with a AB or Partition?
If not I would give a try to the 168TTSX, it seems that those Barnes often like a healthy jump.
As for powder it seems that RL-17 and either of the 4350's seems to get a lot of positive mentions in the 300wsm. I have had good results the H4350 myself with both 180 and 168 bullets.
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RL17 with no compression and Magpro with 7% compression is what I'm going to be running in mine with 180's.
Same powders but 10% compression for the Magpro with 168's.
But then, I'm a speed freak. Speed doesnt mean accuracy. But ya cant teach stupid. Swifty Neither does slow.
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I have been shooting 168 tsx's over 65 grain re17 at 3100 fps and it has been a very accurate load in my model 70. Now a friend with a 700 in 300wsm found that 63 grains of re17 at 2900 fps was the ticket for him.
Re19 also has worked well.
I have found that max loads are rarely the most accurate.
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I have been shooting 168 tsx's over 65 grain re17 at 3100 fps and it has been a very accurate load in my model 70. Now a friend with a 700 in 300wsm found that 63 grains of re17 at 2900 fps was the ticket for him.
Re19 also has worked well.
I have found that max loads are rarely the most accurate. I've found that they often are. Either way I'm not one to leave 300fps on the table to gain 1/4MOA.
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You just keep doing that then.
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When the best group is 3", I wonder about the scope first. I would swap it with a known scope that holds zero.
That being said, a bullet substitution is easy too. Hornady Speer Sierra 165 flat base would be a start... Good luck on the project!
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hey all
Been trying to get a mostly stock rem 700 .300 wsm to shoot reliably. best group has been about 3 inches at 100. stock has been removed and bedded, barrel has been floated, and that helped a little. Bullet/powder combo has been 180 grn partitions, and IMR 4350. any ideas would be greatly helpful.
Thanks Wild groups like your 3" at 100y. are usually a rifle or scope problem as long as your aiming well. Its not the loads most of the time. Since you have 'bedded' the stock its not going to be as easy to sell the rifle and move up to a better one. Change the scope and check the mounts. Scrub the barrel clean with a lapping compound. Bring a screwdriver to the range with shims for the barrel and action. Shoot it starting with tight action screws and later with the rear screw not as tight. Shoot it with the magazine box out. If this does not work bring the rifle home and recut the crown yourself. recut a crown If all that fails get back to us.
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hey all
Been trying to get a mostly stock rem 700 .300 wsm to shoot reliably. best group has been about 3 inches at 100. stock has been removed and bedded, barrel has been floated, and that helped a little. Bullet/powder combo has been 180 grn partitions, and IMR 4350. any ideas would be greatly helpful.
Thanks Wild groups like your 3" at 100y. are usually a rifle or scope problem as long as your aiming well. Its not the loads most of the time. Since you have 'bedded' the stock its not going to be as easy to sell the rifle and move up to a better one. Change the scope and check the mounts. Scrub the barrel clean with a lapping compound. Bring a screwdriver to the range with shims for the barrel and action. Shoot it starting with tight action screws and later with the rear screw not as tight. Shoot it with the magazine box out. If this does not work bring the rifle home and recut the crown yourself. recut a crown If all that fails get back to us. I think we already ran him off..... . Doesn't look like he's getting back to us too soon as it is....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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