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Nothing but good to report overall. That's on some 30 game animals from deer to elk (and observing probably 100 more kills by others). There have been very rare instances where I would have liked to see better blood trails on my personal kills, but mostly it has been entirely adiquite and never lost any animal I fired at.

That's the key.....proper shooting. The few times there was a "failure" by others, it could be almost always traced to poor shooting by someone, but that's hardly a "fault" of the .270. On larger game and thick woods I just have more confidence in the bigger rounds to do the job even if things aren't "perfectly" done. I like the .270, just don't think it's always the BEST tool for every job.


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Originally Posted by idahoguy101
I see your point JB... However I bet you'd rather be using your 9.3x62mm instead of a 30/06 with that 200 grain bullet on that Bear!


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I don't think it was a "low blow"... But John Barsness thinks so I apologize.

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bsa....definitely looking forward to the .270. I can tell that it will change both weight and balance.....plus I like how the stock fits me. It will be much lighter and take away the nasty butt heavy clunky feel. It's going to very good.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
jwall,

Guess I'm failing to understand your point. If you could provide some field examples with all those loads, might be able to comprehend it.


Sorry MD, I was off the air when you posted this.

Do you mean that I stumped the great MD ? No way.

You understand my point.

Even tho I have no experience with the 160 or 180 270 bullets. You also know that I have only hunted WT in the South so I have had no need for that much penetration.

I have had exp with the 180 30 cal, mostly thru friends and others, AGAIN more penetration than I need.

I am a good student. I've learned to TRUST my GWs who have had experience in MANY things I may never see.

** There is ONE GW that I do not care for and avoid any mention of his name. (obviously NOT YOU) I don't hate him...** he does not participate here.

I don't have any reference mat. here with the BCs & SDs of the 160 Nos or 180 Woodleighs.

Are you saying the 160 NP 270 and 200 NP 30 cal. are not similar in design and performance???

Are you saying the 180 Wood. and 220 30 cal. are not similar in performance?

Unless you're saying those performances ARE NOT similar OR probably are not similar..

I submit my post of comparison is still valid.

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Originally Posted by jwall
I have only hunted WT in the South



That pretty much sums up why you have no business holding the strong opinions you seemingly have about things you've not used on game you've not killed.

Just a thought...


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Originally Posted by Brad


That pretty much sums up why you have no business holding the strong opinions you seemingly have about things you've not used on game you've not killed.

Just a thought...


Let me see if I get this right..

Did/Have you not studied & learned from others about which you have had no experience. Doesn't matter, hunting, carpentry, plumbing, sex, autos???

Let's use autos. Have you ONLY formed opinions of cars/trucks that you have used/owned OR have the experiences of others helped you make decisions about an auto, truck or tractor BEFORE you paid $$$.

We hear this idea A LOT, too much, round here. No one has the right to form an opinion about game, rifles, ammo UNTIL he has actually used them MULTIPLE times.

I think something is OBTUSE.

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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by Brad


That pretty much sums up why you have no business holding the strong opinions you seemingly have about things you've not used on game you've not killed.

Just a thought...


Let me see if I get this right..

Did/Have you not studied & learned from others about which you have had no experience. Doesn't matter, hunting, carpentry, plumbing, sex, autos???

Let's use autos. Have you ONLY formed opinions of cars/trucks that you have used/owned OR have the experiences of others helped you make decisions about an auto, truck or tractor BEFORE you paid $$$.

We hear this idea A LOT, too much, round here. No one has the right to form an opinion about game, rifles, ammo UNTIL he has actually used them MULTIPLE times.

I think something is OBTUSE.

jmo.


Actually, the reality is that hands-on experience trumps speculation, every time.

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Will a 10 twist stabilize the Woodleigh 180 grain?

Will the Woodleigh do anything more than the 160 Partition?

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Originally Posted by jwall

We hear this idea A LOT, too much, round here. No one has the right to form an opinion about game, rifles, ammo UNTIL he has actually used them MULTIPLE times.

I think something is OBTUSE.

jmo.


everyone has opinions... endless, pointless, academic debate over things that are best experienced is another thing...


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Originally Posted by TexasRick
The question was...."What is the BEST big game for the .270?", not what CAN it be used for. The .270 CAN be used (particularly with modern "premium" bullets) on any animal in North America, but that doesn't make it the BEST choice for all game.

The .270 is at it's best when used on relatively small big game at extended ranges in open country. That includes pronghorn, whitetail and mule deer (and possibly "some" instances on sheep).

When ranges are shorter (250-300 yards or less), the .270 has no advantage over multiple other rounds. In heavy cover, the bigger bore rifles do a better job of stopping quickly and leaving better blood trails. When game size goes over about 250 pounds, the .270 just isn't as effective (in EVERY instance) as bigger rounds. It CAN be very effective at close range, in heavy cover and on larger game when proper bullets are used and placed correctly.....but it is no longer the "best" in those instances.

It is NOT the perfect all-around rifle for all game. That title would likely go to the .30-06, 7mm Magnum, .300 Magnum or even the .338 Magnum if the focus was on truly larger game. However, when used at longish range in open country on game in the 100-250 pound range it is hard to pick a better rifle than the .270.


Ever used a 150 grain Partition?


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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by Brad


That pretty much sums up why you have no business holding the strong opinions you seemingly have about things you've not used on game you've not killed.

Just a thought...


Let me see if I get this right..

Did/Have you not studied & learned from others about which you have had no experience. Doesn't matter, hunting, carpentry, plumbing, sex, autos???

Let's use autos. Have you ONLY formed opinions of cars/trucks that you have used/owned OR have the experiences of others helped you make decisions about an auto, truck or tractor BEFORE you paid $$$.

We hear this idea A LOT, too much, round here. No one has the right to form an opinion about game, rifles, ammo UNTIL he has actually used them MULTIPLE times.

I think something is OBTUSE.

jmo.


Nobody is saying that you can't form an opinion that has no basis in actual experience, that is pretty much the basis for forums like this one. You just can't expect us to take that opinion seriously.

Who's opinion would you trust more about the D-Day invasion; the grizzled old Army veteran that landed at Normandy, or the guy that watched a movie and read about it on the internet?

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It's when opinions that are based on googling and forums are presented as based on experience that the waters muddy. Not all opinions are created equal.


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Originally Posted by jwall

Did/Have you not studied & learned from others about which you have had no experience. Doesn't matter, hunting, carpentry, plumbing, sex, autos???

jmo.

Are you suggesting that learning about sex from others is as good as first hand experience?


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Originally Posted by jwall

Did/Have you not studied & learned from others about which you have had no experience. Doesn't matter, hunting, carpentry, plumbing, sex, autos???

jmo.

Are you suggesting that learning about sex from others is as good as first hand experience?


I firmy believe in one-on-one female instruction in that particular case. grin I don't think that is something you would want to learn by yourself while reading the internet.

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Originally Posted by Chetaf

I firmy believe in one-on-one female instruction in that particular case. grin I don't think that is something you would want to learn by yourself while reading the internet.

Chet

Absolutely! In some areas, Google wouldn't cut it, even for some of us older guys.

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Originally Posted by johnw


everyone has opinions... endless, pointless, academic debate over things that are best experienced is another thing...


John W, mav, Brad, et.al.

Alright lunch time here. Before I eat.... (loony?)

Yes, indeed John, experience is much preferred over theory.

Have you all NOT heard of R & P (preparation).

I may never get to Alaska or Africa. If I get to go for Brownie or larger African game.... I'm prepped. I'd get a 375 ouch n ouch with proper bullets.(BTW, I know I can shoot it accurately) For Alaska I have an 8 RM w/200gr NP.

Can anyone tell me I would be ill equipped?

I'm hoping to get drawn for an elk tag in Ark, and I am able at least right now, to go West for Elk or Mule Deer (4 legged).

NOW I promise I am NOT being a S-A nor hateful.

I HAVE ON HAND 270 W with 150 NPs

I HAVE ON HAND 30-06 with 165 HBTSPs AND 180 gr NPs.

I HAVE ON HAND 7mm RM with 154 HSPs AND 160 gr NPs.

I HAVE ON HAND 300 WM with 180 NPs

I HAVE ON HAND 8 mm RM with 200 NPs

I have not mentioned the Swede because I haven't done anything with it but mount a scope (yesterday), appropriate bullets are available for Western hunting.

Can ANYONE tell me I don't have adequate or appropriate cals & bullets for the intended game. Remember I've never been there yet.

How can it be that I could get PREPARED w/o having BTDT?

I'll tell you how. I've READ GWs for yrs. I've bought books and mags with the subjects of game & guns. BTW Bob Hagel's book is not a bad example.

I have learned from the success and failure of OTHER'S experiences. I have LEARNED from MANY of you guys here on the fire as well, even you Brad. I have also used all of these cals on WT for personal familiarity.

Can ANYONE tell me that I'm ill prepared for these hunts or game?

Experience is much prefered, but the experiences of others can TEACH us what/how to do.

So maybe we should not be so quick to tell someone else they can't possibly have accurate or proper opinions about a subject they have had no experience with YET.

I remain Y'ALLS friend.

Jerry

ps - I've had 2 phone calls while posting this, will have to eat while I work.



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Best wishes in drawing that coveted Arkansas elk permit, Jerry. And, enjoy your lunch.

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Originally Posted by Chetaf
Originally Posted by jwall
[quote=Brad]

..........you have no business holding the strong opinions you seemingly have about things you've not used on game you've not killed.



Nobody is saying that you can't form an opinion that has no basis in actual experience, that is pretty much the basis for forums like this one. You just can't expect us to take that opinion seriously.

Chet


Chet - You and I have exchanged several agreeable comments and I hope this does not change.

The quote of Brad above says I had no business having strong opinions.....

I think & hope my previous post today clears up that I am qualified to have reasonable opinions w/o personal exp per se.

My post per Mule Deer about the 06 & 200 NP, I only said "I could go with that."

I did not mention ANYONE else. I was speaking for myself.

No harm, No foul.

Your friend

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Originally Posted by doubletap



Are you suggesting that learning about sex from others is as good as first hand experience?


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NO, NO, NO, NO, however if ANYONE has not learned from 'videos' er, er, some other venue....... I feel so SORRY for their wife.

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Many yrs ago, a fellow deer lease member stated to a group of us that it never took him more than 15 minutes to 'finish'.

I told him that was ONE MORE reason I felt sorry for his wife. laugh laugh




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