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As a rifle nut I get the temptation for a different rifle every once in a while (always). Would I have anything to gain by picking up a 6.5 Creedmore over my 260 Remington or my 6.5-284?
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No, especially now that we have Lapua .260 brass. If Hornady would have just gotten behind .260 instead of reinventing the same wheel we'd all be better off.
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If you already have a 6.5-284 just be happy.
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Well,do you eat the same food everyday? 200 yard group with a Ruger Hawkeye huntin rifle...6.5 CM
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You're not gonna gain anything, the 260 Rem. can do anything the Creedmoor can, and brass can be made from the 7mm-08 or 308 if it's not available, if you just want another 6.5 rifle, go for it.
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the 6.5 creed looks purdier to me, so there's that ...
I like the 6.5x47 better than either the .260 or the 6.5 CM, but practically speaking the .260 makes the most sense.
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Okay, I'll say it: Apart from the ubiquity of brass attendant any military case and the ability to feed & extract reliably in the filthiest of machine guns, there's little or nothing good about the 308-derivative cartridge cases. Accordingly, the Creedmoor is worth the switch. I'll be leaving this thread now.
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I like the 6.5x47 better than either the .260 or the 6.5 CM +1 This will be my next build.
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If it uses a .264 dia. bullet and has a good twist on the barrel, it's interesting to me. So far I have aquired two of the CM's and they both shoot very well. Do they have anything over similar 6.5's? Probably not but they do use that 6.5 bullet.
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DO IT! I have had my Cmoor now just about a year. Sweetest cartridge a guy could have. I had it built on a 1981 700 short action. It's easy reloadin, tight groups, almost perfect bullets from 85 to 140's. I have a hard time shootin my other rifles now. The only thing I can say bad is ,Why didn't I get it sooner....later
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The entire rationale behind the Creedmoor is the ability to load the very long, sleek 140's favored by a lot of 6.5mm shooters and not have part of the ogive end up down inside the neck of the case. This happens with the .260 with some bullets in the typical 2.8" magazine.
The Creedmoor is shorter and slightly fatter than the .260, with a 28-degree shoulder angle. It has just about exactly the same case capacity, so there isn't any gain there, but it does work better mechanically with real long 140's.
From the tell-tale signs I can see, the "Hornady" 6.5 Creedmoor brass is made in Scandinavia. I wouldn't faint if somebody revealed it was made by Lapua, though Norma is also a possibility.
At any rate, the 6.5 Creedmoor solves the minor problems of the .260 and a short magazine, and the factory brass is very good.
If somebody wants to whine and moan about how the Creedmoor was never "needed," or how the .260 is the answer to every 6.5mm question ever asked, well then they should feel free to do so. But whining and moaning won't mean they're right.
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John, I could be misremembering but did I read where the 6.5 Creedmoor can be made from .22-250 or .250 Savage brass? I think you wrote that it is basically a 6.5-250 Savage Improved.
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The entire rationale behind the Creedmoor is the ability to load the very long, sleek 140's favored by a lot of 6.5mm shooters and not have part of the ogive end up down inside the neck of the case. This happens with the .260 with some bullets in the typical 2.8" magazine. What about the 6.5x.284 in that situation? I have a .260 and have loaded a few 140 BT's without that problem, but I know there are some longer 140's out there. I haven't fired any 140 loads yet so may need to adjust COAL anyway.
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The entire rationale behind the Creedmoor is the ability to load the very long, sleek 140's favored by a lot of 6.5mm shooters and not have part of the ogive end up down inside the neck of the case. This happens with the .260 with some bullets in the typical 2.8" magazine. What about the 6.5x.284 in that situation? I have a .260 and have loaded a few 140 BT's without that problem, but I know there are some longer 140's out there. I haven't fired any 140 loads yet so may need to adjust COAL anyway. I'm a little curious about this too. The 6.5x284 fits in a short action, but if you load the rounds short enough to fit in a magazine, I think you need a shorter throat. It may be that you really need a long action to take advantage of the competition 140ish weight bullets in that round. The general "advantages" of a 6.5 CM over the 6.5x284 are that it won't burn a barrel out as fast and has less recoil and muzzle blast. This makes it more attractive to the competitive shooters, although hunters typically have a different set of criteria.
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OK,the creedmoor is a .250 savage improved necked up .007 in. The Cmoore case is over.10 in. shorter than the .260 but holds the same amount of powder due to less body taper and a steeper shoulder angle. So it's like a .250 Savage Ackley Improved necked up to .264 dia. Yes I'ed be thinkin of a long action for the 6.5/.284 myself as some have said. Loadin deep seatin OCL is also what happens with the 6.5/.284 and the 140's so longer action IMO is a no brainer, so you can seat longer. Last is the Hornady brass in Cmoore is beautiful a perfect flash hole, annealed shoulder a beautiful job well done. My Cmoore is now my G=Hog rifle sportin a 26" Hart barrel and 120 gr. down is what I shoot mostly 95 gr. V Max. The 1-8 twist puts a spin on the lighter bullets but 1/2 to3/4" groups at 1 and 200yds. is common I love shootin it.....later
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I wanted a 6.5mm for my project rifle and chose the 6.5 Creedmoor. I see lots of potential in this round with 140 grain boat tails and Hornady Superformance 140 Grain Amax's have gotten rave reviews for both tight groups and good brass. My new rig won't be ready to shoot until I finish the stock that I'm waiting on from Richard's. So, I can't say first hand how mine shoots. My advice....Choose your equipment and/or gunsmith carefully. The round is only the begining if you choose custom over factory rigs.
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Well I'll go out on a limb and say you'll be very happy with your Cmoore custom rifle. I picked one of the best gunsmith's up here in Pa. My 700 Rem. short action (1981) was put together by Robert Hart of Nescopeck Pa. Bobby is good people for sure and his work is top shelf. He's very active in the Williamsport 1000yd. club, he knows rifles and shootin. He put a Hart barrel on mine the Hart barrel Co. of NY. It's a 26" SS fluted. I kept the Remington ADL wood stock for I like the look. He did a great job inlettin the stock for the larger tapered barrel.I'm not just pushin up a pile the rifle shoots so good. I load imr 4064 woth the 95's and H4350 with the 120's. I hunt with a .270 and a .300RUM so it's crazy for me to make a pick. I do want to load some 140's and wack a doe at a nice open field shot,but as I've said right now it's my chuck rifle. I shoot targets for sight in and fun but I'm more on huntin. IMO the .264 dia. cartridges have been treated bad but have come along over the last few yrs.??? SOOO if a guy wanted a above average shooter light recoil and great bullets a good enough hunter then a Creedmoore would be a nice rifle. They have a few rifle companies now chamberin for it so the shelf rifles are there.Oh ya my SWIFT has the summer off, the Cmoore took over......later
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The Creedmoor is a hell of a round with well designed throating for factory ammo....as well as hand loaded.
No flies on the 6.5x47 or 260. Who would of thunk there could be more than one good moderate 6.5
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If I wanted a short action 6.5, the Creedmoor would be the one.
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As much as I like my wife's 250AI I could see doin a creed instead. Can still shoot 100gr bullets we like shootin deer with but can also shoot higher bc bullets if need be. I could like one a great deal!
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