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Catch you fellas later. I gotta go play some of my Beatles and KISS albums backwards.

You discount the fact, Oh GreatWaputi, that the statement might be false in itself, that 25 cops didn't show up in 60-90 seconds. But that would lead to the conclusion that cops are not supermen.

Now if they did it leads to the conclusion that they were placed in staging or in close on purpose. But it is in fact most likely that the statement is bullchit all together. That 25 cops did not show up in 60-90 seconds.

Allegedly from Iceland?

No.

They were from Poland. You haven't been keeping up.

Yeah, you're right. The Icelanders were part of the SWAT team dressed as sewer workers staged in manholes in the street outside the theater. They came up through the urinals. They smelled of deodorizer cakes and had faint blue stains on their faces.

I came to the conclusion I couldn't give a flying [bleep] less either way. A nut job went on a killing spree. Is that too difficult to understand?..

I just spittled a little.

But, But, But there must be a conspiracy!

Really though, these guys that are mentally ill and geniuses are really capable of so much. They are mentally ill, but that has nothing to do with intelligence. So they put together complicated plans. This I know from personal experience.

Like this guys building of incineraries and explosives. The FBI said they couldn't figure them out because they were so complicated. Well, the guy is a genius for Gods sake. He's a proverbial mad scientist.

So the FBI says that these bombs are so good, and they never have seen the type before. That is because no one trained him in the usual ways, he designed them himself out of his own genius mind. Had he been trained by anyone else they would have seen that in his work.

Mentally ill and stupid are not the same thing.

As far as buying the stuff, any advanced collage kid can get $30-40,000 of credit cards with no problem at all.

think about this, had this guy gone the Unibomber route, how much damage could he have done?

There's a reason why he put together such a complicated and complex booby trap.

He never intended for it to be set off.

Why would he want to destroy his "masterpiece bomb"?

He didn't want it to go off. If it did, and all the evidence was destroyed, he wouldn't be recognized or gain the notoriety of a "criminal mastermind".

That's what they want you to believe, disinformation you know.

Or it's alien technology and they can't admit they've seen it before at Area 51.

(Actually from the reports I heard the devices were amateurish. They were so weirdly put together it took some time to analyze.)

It makes me sad that even after someone mentions MK Ultra, we act like our government can do no wrong, ESPECIALLY not false flags...

Oh well.

Where does someone buy a human programmer?

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Very nice.

You may want to do a little fact checking on that one. IIRC, the AWB became effective on or about 9/13/94. IIRC, Columbine was 4/20/99.

When you come up with conspiracy Plan B, please let us know.

The link was dead when I tried to read it. Anyway, did you listen to the radio traffic on the Denver Post or other website? The first one covered 30 minutes, but it was mostly dead air until the last 2 minutes. IIRC, they dispatched 2 cars, which is insane for a city that size on a call of that nature, with nothing going on. There was a tremendous amount of self-initated backup, and I am sure there were people rolling on it who did not tie up the air telling dispatch they were going, but I did not get the impression that 25 people were there in 60-90 seconds. The people who arrived called out where they were setting up. As things progressed, a supervisor asked for mutal aid from Denver PD and for the particular county's deputies to respond and be in charge of the mall perimiter. It is not unusual to get a huge response on an incident of this nature when there are a lot of resources in the area.

Suggesting they all were staged is really "out there."

You didn't read my follow on post which says:



Accuracy in reporting, at least not malicious like calling it the fault of a Tea Party member right off the rip, but another "Fact" not verified at all. Great reporting!

Hearsay:

Denver based LEO who was not at the theater but confirms that cops were on the scene in 90 seconds or so. He also confirmed that the shooter had ten ....uninterupted minutes to shoot. Conclusion, cops were on the scene and concerned about crowd control, not letting the perp leave the scene and MOST importantly .... they were apparently following department guidelines that the perimeter needs to be secure and there must be three or more officers "as a team" to go after an active shooter. Note that there were similar protocols followed at the Columbine shooting. Cops did not go in for over two hours. That teacher bled to death about 15 minutes before the cops showed up. Harris and Klebold had been dead for two hours.



Upshot.... when seconds count, the police are minutes away. Even when they can be there in 90 seconds.

Also reported... an incident in near Kiowa, CO. A homeowner came home to their rural acreage ..daytime.. and discovered burglars in their house and loading up stuff to their vehicle. Called 911 and then locked the "ranch gate" so the burglars could not leave. Law enforcement was not on the scene for 30 minutes as this area is wayoff the beaten path. Last report he heard was the owners were outside the gate and the burglars were trying to ram the gate and escape.

So, when seconds count, the cops are minutes away. Despite what they tell in the papers, for the most part we are on are own most of the time.

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That cops were on scene in 90 seconds I do not question in a call like this, but not 25. First patrol car maybe.

I don't believe cops should be expected to just charge into an active shooter without planning and equipment. That equals dead cops. Dead cops are useless. Cops are rigged to catch criminals, not do the Dodge City thing with them.

That comes down to two simple facts:
You are personally responsible for your own security and that of your loved ones. It's not the cops responsibility to defend you as an individual.


Places and laws that remove your ability to defend yourself make you a defenseless sheep, like a lamb in a pen with a wolf.

Now in this case with the body armor your odds might be low, but they are a damn sight better than none.

After Columbine cops in Colorado (and elsewhere) no longer set up a perimeter first. They go straight in. First and foremost stop the shooter and save lives.

Columbine a was tragic lesson on the strategy of perimeter first.

Turns out there was no body armor. Just a tac vest.

Re: Fish Head .... I hope and trust you are correct and it is poor social form to snipe at Leo's after the fact when one was not present. Just reporting what the guy said.

Re: Crosshair ...Yep

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