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Why Anarchy will never truly work. It will always be dominated and ruled, while they sit there and ask what just happened? "We ignored them, why'd they subjugate us!?" Head in the sand is not a wise position as it leaves your backside sky high! Without touching your anarchy red herring, don't you think the suggestion that Iran, a backwards third world nation, constitutes a viable threat to the United States just a bit silly? Wow! My double digit IQ opinion ... I think, although I'm not quite sure, the threat comes from a backwards third world nation obtaining nuclear weapons. HAJ, is that it? Having nuclear weapons is one thing delivering them is another thing. Obviously, you favor gun control. No, I don't favor new gun control laws. You're putting words in my mouth. But ... I'm smart enough to know that it doesn't take a sophisticated delivery system to put a nuke on US soil.
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You really don't understand anarchy. If you really think anarchists will just sit around and do nothing to defend themselves you are nuttier than I think you are. What anarchists won't do is involve ourselves in other peoples business. Anarchy is about minding one's own business and voluntary cooperation.
I never suggested that they'd just sit around and do nothing. I certainly suggest that they lack the ability to present a unified front and to build a deterrence. The mass organization is lacking.
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Why Anarchy will never truly work. It will always be dominated and ruled, while they sit there and ask what just happened? "We ignored them, why'd they subjugate us!?" Head in the sand is not a wise position as it leaves your backside sky high! Without touching your anarchy red herring, don't you think the suggestion that Iran, a backwards third world nation, constitutes a viable threat to the United States just a bit silly? What IS incredibly silly is your naive question, it almost defies credulity. Iran can and in a very short time, completely disrupt the world's oil supply that even if it didn't affect us would cause a complete encomic collapse of the majority of our trading parteners, in turn causing our economy to collapse even further. Not to mention is if once they can deliver nukes (and forget Israel for now), to their arch-enemy Iraq and destroy their oil refining capabilites, an even bigger catastrophe WILL ensue. Apparently you've swallowed the dangerously idiotic notion RP (the kook) has that all we need are a few submarines.
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Wow!
My double digit IQ opinion ...
I think, although I'm not quite sure, the threat comes from a backwards third world nation obtaining nuclear weapons.
HAJ, is that it?
There are different kinds of threats that are reality. We have vulnerabilities that are very well established and known in our infrastructure. An Iran with Strategic Nukes isn't the real threat. It's the tactical nukes supplied to terrorist groups backed by Iran that's one possible threat. Iran, China and Russia are well established bed buddies. Russia has openly supported Iran in it's weapons endeavors. They share experience and knowledge. The same with China. An Iran with the ability to supply terrorist groups with this experience and knowledge is a threat to the whole Western World. It's not just in the shape of nukes. It's cyber, economic, electrical grids, etc etc etc...
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A single high-altiltude electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear detonation could do a lot of damage to the US. Launching it off the deck of an oil freighter along one of our coasts would make it hard to intercept and difficult to tell where it came from. The Iranians are just crazy enough to try a stunt like this knowing full well that MAD applies.
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Why Anarchy will never truly work. It will always be dominated and ruled, while they sit there and ask what just happened? "We ignored them, why'd they subjugate us!?" Head in the sand is not a wise position as it leaves your backside sky high! Without touching your anarchy red herring, don't you think the suggestion that Iran, a backwards third world nation, constitutes a viable threat to the United States just a bit silly? You are rapidly attaining Derby Dude levels of stupidness... Wow! My double digit IQ opinion ... I think, although I'm not quite sure, the threat comes from a backwards third world nation obtaining nuclear weapons. HAJ, is that it? Both the Soviet Union and Red China had them, far more than Iran will ever likely acquire, and yet somehow the US survived. You are know in DD level of stupidness...
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What IS incredibly silly is your naive question, it almost defies credulity. Iran can and in a very short time, completely disrupt the world's oil supply that even if it didn't affect us would cause a complete encomic collapse of the majority of our trading parteners, in turn causing our economy to collapse even further. Not to mention is if once they can deliver nukes (and forget Israel for now), to their arch-enemy Iraq and destroy their oil refining capabilites, an even bigger catastrophe WILL ensue. Apparently you've swallowed the dangerously idiotic notion RP (the kook) has that all we need are a few submarines, some apologies, and a hug.
Added the rest of the RP sentiment...
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A single high-altiltude electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear detonation could do a lot of damage to the US. Launching it off the deck of an oil freighter along one of our coasts would make it hard to intercept and difficult to tell where it came from. The Iranians are just crazy enough to try a stunt like this knowing full well that MAD applies.
Nah. Those who rise to positions of real state power are never true religious fanatics. Power hunger operates against true religious fanaticism. The true religious fanatics are used by such people, but the powerful themselves wish to remain alive so they can continue to enjoy the manifold privileges of power. It's essentially a law of human nature. Suggestions to the contrary are propaganda, plain and simple.
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Both the Soviet Union and Red China had them, far more than Iran will ever likely acquire, and yet somehow the US survived. You're correct. "Somehow" the US survived. Are you willing to trust the freakin' rag heads with nukes? And ... numbers don't matter. It only takes one.
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A single high-altiltude electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear detonation could do a lot of damage to the US. Launching it off the deck of an oil freighter along one of our coasts would make it hard to intercept and difficult to tell where it came from. The Iranians are just crazy enough to try a stunt like this knowing full well that MAD applies.
We have a missile defense network that would make that approach difficult. More likely, and proven to already be a M.O., they would build the EMP here in the States from scratch. The delivery system? Well, that needs to be no more complex than a weather balloon....
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A single high-altiltude electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear detonation could do a lot of damage to the US. Launching it off the deck of an oil freighter along one of our coasts would make it hard to intercept and difficult to tell where it came from. The Iranians are just crazy enough to try a stunt like this knowing full well that MAD applies.
Nah. Those who rise to positions of real state power are never true religious fanatics. Power hunger operates against true religious fanaticism. The true religious fanatics are used by such people, but the powerful themselves wish to remain alive so they can continue to enjoy the manifold privileges of power. It's essentially a law of human nature. Suggestions to the contrary are propaganda, plain and simple. That's why they use other groups to do their dirty work. Plausible deniability. Follow the money man!
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You are know in DD level of stupidness...
Considering the spelling and grammar employed, that's the height of irony.
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Both the Soviet Union and Red China had them, far more than Iran will ever likely acquire, and yet somehow the US survived. You're correct. "Somehow" the US survived. Are you willing to trust the freakin' rag heads with nukes? And ... numbers don't matter. It only takes one. Two blunderbuss-armed enemies in a room full of TNT could say the same thing, I suppose.
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A single high-altiltude electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear detonation could do a lot of damage to the US. Launching it off the deck of an oil freighter along one of our coasts would make it hard to intercept and difficult to tell where it came from. The Iranians are just crazy enough to try a stunt like this knowing full well that MAD applies.
We have a missile defense network that would make that approach difficult. More likely, and proven to already be a M.O., they would build the EMP here in the States from scratch. The delivery system? Well, that needs to be no more complex than a weather balloon.... They don't need to go that large scale though. Bomb a subway. Bomb a school, a park, anything. Poison a small town water supply... Somehow the RP guys think that just because nobody is going to take us over, they are no threat. 9/11 was not an attempt to take us out, but it was a coordinated attack nonetheless and American's died as a result. This is somehow acceptable to RP'er's when compared to the military-industrial complex...
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That's why they use other groups to do their dirty work. Plausible deniability. Follow the money man!
You think that would stop the US war machine from turning the entire Middle East into a giant glass parking lot after a nuke strike on US soil? They don't think that either.
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When the Iranian students were protesting for change 2 years ago and the regime started killing them and Mr. O REFUSED to even say "stop killing your kids", it was obvious where his sympathy lies.
If things are going the moslem way, Mr. O says it's progress but when they start killing their kids he says nothing. When they over throw a government, it's good.
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No, not at all.
What I'm saying is that the idea that Iran's foreign policy is "none of our business" is a head in the sand position.
Case by case, TRH. That's my approach.
For example. India and Pakistan have been in an arms race for a while now. Is that our business?
Well, Pakistan harbors people that seek to do us harm. These weapons that the Pakistani Government are racing to build in order to defend themselves from India, somehow keep finding their way into the hands of those that wish to do us harm.
The conflict between India and Pakistan may not be our business, but the fallout from such a conflict is certainly worth us keeping an eye on.
Iran has a very well established posture and position in which it has repeatedly and clearly stated that it would like to harm Western Culture.
You are a big proponent of "following the money" yet you do not apply it to the dealings of Iran. If you had, you'd see that Iran is funding every group out there that seeks to harm Westerners.
Small bands of marauders in and of themselves may not be able to conquer a nation, but with the right equipment, planning, and financial backing, they sure can bring one to it's knee's.
Iran is not going to invade American soil with uniformed Military any day soon. They are however - and they make no bones about it - working towards the demise of Western Culture.
This has nothing to do with American World-Policism, it has everything to do with our National Security. Fear is a wonderful thing for the international bankers.
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You think that would stop the US war machine from turning the entire Middle East into a giant glass parking lot after a nuke strike on US soil? They don't think that either. Sadly, I do. Consider Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. We knew the attacks of 9/11 came from those places. Yet, they are not glass parking lots...
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You think that would stop the US war machine from turning the entire Middle East into a giant glass parking lot after a nuke strike on US soil? They don't think that either. Sadly, I do. Consider Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. We knew the attacks of 9/11 came from those places. Yet, they are not glass parking lots... Nor has anyone detonated a nuke on US soil, other than the US military, that is.
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Both the Soviet Union and Red China had them, far more than Iran will ever likely acquire, and yet somehow the US survived. You're correct. "Somehow" the US survived. Are you willing to trust the freakin' rag heads with nukes? And ... numbers don't matter. It only takes one. Two blunderbuss armed enemies in a room full of TNT could say the same thing, I suppose. You're ignoring one key difference in the mentality of jihadists. They're more than willing to fire a blunderbuss in a room full of TNT.
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