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Those [bleep] won't ever have nukes. The ones with nukes will be those who rule their states, who enjoy the privileges of power far too much to throw it all away.

and the ones that rule their states are the ones funding the guys willing to do that chit or have you completely missed that......all it takes is one fanatic with access, doesnt have to be the leader....

Really? Jim Jones, the cult leader? How was he a ruler of a state?

Baby Huey,

We were attacked by people, not countries. To imply that countries should have been attacked because of acts of its people independent of their governments is a dangerous concept. For instance, Baby Huey, you're a war monger on edge of wanting to attack everyone whom you fear and know is your intellectual superior. Say you lose it -a very possible potentiality- and detonate a bomb in London. Using your logic, the British, instead of going after you decided to nuke our country. You would call that a justifiable response???

Baby, Huey, you're good with attacking Iran with someone else's kids. Why don't your kids enlist in the military and sacrifice their lives fighting Persians???



R

Seriously?

Yes and no.

EMP is dangerous, yes.

A single high-altitude electromagnetic pulse could do a lot of damage, yes. (You'd need more than one to completely cripple an area as big as the Lower 48, but even just three or four small New England states from one detonation would certainly qualify as "a lot of damage.")

However, to get the sort of EMP you're talking about, you need a really big detonation--dozens of megatons. Thirty megatons, say, at an altitude of 50 miles or so.

And megaton-level yields are not easy to get--certainly not with fission weapons, but not even with fusion weapons. The issue is that the chain reaction that creates the power of the bomb needs the reactive mass to stay clumped together through enough generations of reaction to achieve the exponentiation necessary: separate the reactive mass out of a tight clump and the chain reaction instantly falls apart.

So the question is, how do you hold together a reactive mass with a thirty-megaton potential yield for long enough that it can achieve that yield, before letting the explosion begin to expand? And the answer is, mostly you don't.

You certainly don't get it by firing a half-critical mass down a howitzer barrel into another half-critical mass, or by setting off a spherical explosion around a subcritical mass to compress it into a critical mass. From that, you get double- to triple-digit kiloton yields.

So while it's a good thing to think about EMP, and an even better thing to harden electronics against it, it's not something we have to worry much about from a third-world Muslim country.

As for launching a ballistic missile from an oil freighter to almost low-earth-orbit altitudes anywhere near a populated area with skin-paint air-traffic-control radar, I can't believe it'd be all that difficult to identify the launch point.

Pat possesses unbelievable journalistic ability for sniffing out gist of domestic & foreign policies. He's the only journalist that I try to read.

Thanks so much for posting it.

Nukes? When? How'd I miss that tidbit of history?

for a full blown conspiracy theory nut your not very good at it......last i knew leaders of countries arent the ones in possession of nuclear arms.....the military has physical possession.....so what if the leader of Iran wouldnt nuke anyone....you gonna guarantee everyone with access to them in the military wouldnt be willing to allow one to "fall off the truck" for his radical buddies?

I don't know. Who are YOU going to believe???

I've been duped into false flags wars too often to discount them.

How many heads of state have, for example, strapped on explosives and, while shouting allah-akbar, charged into a crowd while detonating themselves? Find me one. One will do.

Muslims tend to be concerned more about the "afterlife" than life in the "here and now".

True believers don't rise to true, state ruling, positions of power. The power hungry, and those who enjoy the privileges of power, do. Their main concern is maintaining their life of privilege. If that requires a pretense at being a religious fanatic, they are happy to oblige, but it's a pretense.

That is quite the assumption about religious fanatics.....

The nature of state-ruling power-seekers and the nature of true-believing religious-fanatics are incompatible with one another. People seek state-ruling power mainly to enjoy the privileges attached thereto, not in order to blow themselves up. One can do the latter easily enough without first seeking a position of state-ruling power.

you really have a piss poor understanding of history TRH

What are the odds? I feel the same about you and your ilk.

jorge, Are you a fisherman? You sure love red herrings!

Arab countries and Iran are dependent upon oil exportation. Without exporting oil, they shrivel. The last thing Iran would ever entertain is interrupting oil flow from the region. Were it to act so stupidly, it would have every other oil exporting country breathing down its neck.

Oil interruption is a false flag floated by USA & Israel to see if we'll take the bait. If you, Steve_No, & Baby Huey are circling baited hooks, send YOUR sons there. Leave the sons of intelligent Americans to party with Jewish kids and American coeds on Miami Beach.

I, for one, would love to see Middle Eastern oil flow interrupted. That way Obama will be forced to drill baby, drill right here. Old oil monied interests would have sh*t fits because of lost Middle Eastern oil revenue. But I couldn't care less. Drill baby, drill right here would leave us independent of Middle Eastern oil producing countries. That means, we would have no ostensible interest in the Middle East, which means Israel will be on its own. That is not acceptable to Israel. Israel needs us dependent upon Middle Eastern oil for justification of our military presence there, which it controls.

Wise up!

rattler,

I'd love to hear your take on history, especially American history. God knows how many times Steve_No & his lemmings, especially Baby Huey, have tried to revise it.


R

its a losing proposition to think we can maintain a mixed bag of cultures that control a commodity we desperately need while we continue to support the one entity that unites them against us.

We live in fear of them getting their hands on a nuke because we continually antagonize them.

We're never going to know peace as long as we keep poking our fingers in their chest, over a fight that isn't ours, and expecting them to fall in line with our views on democracy and Israel's views on land ownership.

We're barely keeping a lid on the powder keg now and we have troops on the ground in two countries, threatening at least 2 more militarily and constantly bribing the rest of them. Its bankrupting us.

And the pro Israel war hawks have many believing we have no choice because "you just can't put a price on protecting ourselves from those crazy towel heads"

its absurd.