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Yikes, it was worth reading all the rest of this thread just to get to this jewel of an analogy...

Well, why don't you go into the hood and show them how to do it right with your nun chucks and a shallele.(sp)

I'm sure the guy would have complied with your commands then.


Clyde


P.S. some here have said you didn't get into the department because they met a quota of some sort and didn't need you. No matter what you say, you have it in for the police. No one can harbor that much hate and spend that much time finding these incidents to not be filled with hate.

Go out and cut a tree with an electric chain saw or something.

Taser MUST hit flesh. Have you EVER been in a realy close hard situation? Taser are not reliable for situations like this. Tasers were really developed to be a good alternative to smacking a guy with a nightstick. They were not and are not recommende to substitute for a gun. They just don't pass muster for deadly encounters.

Perhaps your eyesight is as good as TRH's. Do you see Tasers or are you familiar with the agency?

Does that mean your not going to volunteer?

Most experts I know of call the shots from the safety of their computers.

Dink

What's that saying? If ya can't stand the heat stay out pf the kitchen I watch that video and I see cowards executing a homeless man them cops need convicted for murder

That's easy for a expect to say while sitting around their computer never having to deal with anything more dangerous than a can opener.

You have all the answers now back it up by volunteering.

Dink

Lol u have no clue what ur talking about. You cannot defend the video so u try to attack me. Btw im an e.h.v. hotstick lineman. So don' run ur yip to me about"danger". Fact is in the video the cops executed the homeless man. They need to be charged with murder.

Fact is you're guessing.

I am so glad I never went into law enforcement. I would have thought dealing with the dregs of society day in and day out would be the worst part, but honestly the worst part would be the absolutely thanklessness of the job and constant criticism. It's either you reacted with too much force, or you didn't show up fast enough to prevent whatever offense was committed. God forbid the perp in the video had assaulted someone because then the cops would certainly be guilty of not keeping this menace to society off the streets.

I copied this from another forum discussing open vs. concealed carry. It's quite pertanent to this discussion, and keep in mind that the officers duty is to protect the community at large, themselves and fellow officers. Their job is not to be a martyr and give screwed up individuals every chance possible to turn around their lives.

These are sayings regarding how to survive a life or death situation.

Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
Only hits count. A close miss is still a miss.
If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.
Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movements are preferred.)
If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.
Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.
Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
Always cheat = always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
Have a plan.
Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
Use cover and concealment as much as possible.
Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
Don't drop your guard.
Always tactically reload and threat scan 360 degrees.
Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).
Decide to be AGGRESSIVE enough, QUICKLY enough.
The faster you finish the fight, the less shot up you will get.
Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4".

This, unfortunately, is the very basis of why we have so many inappropriate shootings of this type. It certainly should NOT be a mantra for those who are sworn to protect and serve us.

As I recall that quote was from a General, so applied more to military personal.

That said, when the issue is boiled down to a confrontation with an armed individual the reality of the situation is kill or be killed. I feel sorry for the officers being put in such situations, but all the touchy feely he's a misunderstood individual is just crap. There are bad violent people in the world and the only way to deel with them is lock them up in cages like the animals they are, or put them down like the rabid dogs they are. A very harsh way to look at the situation, but it is what it is.

I didn't see anything inapropriate about this shooting. Armed individual is told to put down the weapon. Individaul refuses to put down the weapon. Individual heads towards officer with weapon. Individual is shot and killed for the actions he chose.

charge them and let the jury decide. at least they will get that, the homeless man dident get that luxury.

Bull...

He made the choice to keep the knife which eliminated that option.

Well there you have it. I was hoping an electrician would finally weigh in on this and settle everything.

Brilliant.

"Keeping" a knife should not have resulted in his execution.

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TF.

Appears that half of the 46 shots were fired after Hall was on the ground. I guess Michigan cops are trained to keep shooting until the suspect is definitely dead - and then fire a few more for good measure.

Given that the guy only had a knife and he was in an uncrowded parking lot surrounded by 6 cops, I should have thought that once he was on the ground, the shooting would have stopped and he could be handcuffed and first aid administered.

That was pretty bad, pretty uptight cops if you ask me. Definitely not a situation that needed to end with the guy getting killed.

LOL...yeah you know all about dealing with armed people. I mean you face danger everyday of not touching a wire that does not move and grounding yourself. Living on the edge there.

Sometimes you have to put on rubber gloves to protect yourself from the danger...lol. When you deal with danger sometimes you have to break out the bucket truck. How do you do it? Do you get hazard pay?

Another idiot trying make calls on situations that you have no idea about.

Dink