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#6843413 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: Waders]
2muchgun Offline
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Originally Posted By: Waders
Originally Posted By: 2muchgun
I like/load 250gr Partitions over 59gr R-15


Are you sure that's your load? As for me personally, I like 250's--why else would you buy a Whelen??


Nice elk. And I feel the same way about the 250s, and so did the Colonel himself. 250s are the only way to fly with a Whelenator.

And yes, I 'm quire certain of the load......





Primers look just fine.......



Regardless of what your manuals say, 58gr of R-15 is a very common loading in the 35 Colonel with 250s. Mine just likes 59gr a tad better grin
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#6843539 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 358wsm]
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Finally got some pics available...I do like using the Whelen...













Just some fun stuff to look at...!

Dennis


Edited by muledeer (09/05/12)
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#6843583 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 2muchgun]
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Im amazed at times, by the questions and reactions of guys watching me when I take my remington 7600 35 whelen and sako 375 H&H to the range with my chronograph.
either rifle shoots consistent 3 shot 100 yard groups off a bench rest under 1.2"in diam.
most of the comments are based on what seems to be , or is the common idea that many guys hold , that they seem to think that if your not pushing a bullet over 2800 fps at a minimum, it will bounce off game.
my 250 grain whelen loads are clocking about 2450 fps , my 270 grain H&H loads are clocking closer to 2600fps from my carbine...trust me when I tell you, that in 40 plus years of hunting my experience is neither rifles bullets bounce off elk!
velocity might not be all that impressive but I guess the Elk never noticed.


375 H&H CARBINE


35 whelen


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#6843600 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: Mule Deer]
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Originally Posted By: Mule Deer
The 280 A-Frame is purposefully designed to be short enough to stabilize in a 1-14 twist, as is just about any .35 caliber bullet from a major company, because so many .35-caliber rifles have 1-14 twists. If they made bullets that would only stabilize in 1-12 twists they'd get a lot of complaining from the average guy, and wouldn't sell many bullets.

That's exactly why there aren't any true spitzers over 250 grains in .35. (The 280 AF is actually flat-point semi-spitzer.) It's also why Barnes doesn't make a TSX over 225 grains, and Nosler doesn't make an AccuBond over 225.

I'd be tempted to use the 225-grain AccuBond as an all-around bullet in the .35 Whelen. It's plenty tough, and the long-range BC is better than Nosler shows--better than the 225 Partition and noticeably better than the 225 TSX. Load the 225 AB up to 2700+ fps and it would work both up close and way out there.
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Do you mean 1-16 twist? I remember your "Dream Rifle article and you mention 1-16.
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#6843701 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: muledeer]
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Awesome pics Dennis.

Tell me about the rifle in the last pic......
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#6843728 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 2muchgun]
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I realized after I put it up that it's not a .35 Whelen...it's a .444. oops...

Nice thing about today is I can change things at any moment..!

Thanks for the help...

Dennis
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#6843772 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 358wsm]
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Originally Posted By: 358wsm
406_SBC,

Thanks for the pics. I have not seen this bullet post "testing" so this to me is looking very good, especially at an 1850fps impact velocity.

What's the story behind the bullet on the left..?
The bullet on the let was found in the bull's neck. When I approached the bull he was clearly not long for this world, but I brought that remaining time to an abrupt end. It was recovered from the neck just under the hide after demolishing several vertebrae. That shot came from something less than a 100 yards and should have had a terminal velocity near 2700 fps. Punching through that last inch of moose hide just wasn't in the cards.......
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#6843779 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 406_SBC]
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I'm a light bullet, high velocity guy anymore. That said, I only feed my Whelen 250's, because why wouldn't you?
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#6843790 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: Steelhead]
2muchgun Offline
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Exactly.

I believe you use a stout charge of R-15 like I do, right?
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#6843791 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 2muchgun]
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Negative, IMR4064
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#6843795 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: muledeer]
2muchgun Offline
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Originally Posted By: muledeer
I realized after I put it up that it's not a .35 Whelen...it's a .444. oops...

Nice thing about today is I can change things at any moment..!

Thanks for the help...

Dennis





I knew it wasn't a Whelen grin

I'm a big 444 fan also.....
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#6843801 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: Steelhead]
2muchgun Offline
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No shitt? I thought you used a similar load to mine.

4064 and Varget do about the same thing as the R-15. The latter is just a tad faster....
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#6843814 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: Steelhead]
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Originally Posted By: Steelhead
I'm a light bullet, high velocity guy anymore. That said, I only feed my Whelen 250's, because why wouldn't you?
Because the 200 TTSX will penetrate as deeply as a 250 grain slug, the hole is still .358+ in diameter and 400+ yards is much easier with a bullet starting at 2800+ fps rather than 2500 fps. I like the 250s and if forced to use cup & core that's where I'd stay. However, the 200 TTSX does everything a 250 cup & core will terminally, and it improves the external ballistics of the Whelen rather dramatically--where's the downside? There are times when less is more and I think this most certainly qualifies.
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#6843833 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 406_SBC]
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I hear you and I ain't gonna argue, but I'm still a 250 man with the Whelen.
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#6843837 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 406_SBC]
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After two or three years of shooting a Whelen or three, I had the best luck by necking it down to take a .308 diameter 200 Grain Nosler Partition at about 2700 fps.

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#6843926 - 09/05/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: Royce]
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I've used them both quite a bit and the Whelen just will not allow space in the safe for its much lesser sire. For smaller game there's not much to choose from, but on bigger stuff I see too much difference to choose the lesser cartridge......
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#6844651 - 09/06/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 406_SBC]
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Well, my go to load in my .35 Whelen Mauser is the 225 gr. Barnes TSX over 60.4 gr. of RE15. Vekocity is 2710 FPS and they gather in .50 to .75" clusters at 100 yards. I've only shot one cow elk with it so far and it was one of the most spectacular drop a critter on the spot dead I've ever seen in 63 years of hunting. Shot my first deer in 1949 with my Great-grandfather's only M94 30-03 and it was in 2010 that I dropped the cow elk. Beem quite a fw deer, a couple other elks and one speed goat during all those years but none that I can remember went down as fast as that elk. You don't have to guess what I'll be using for elk this year. grin It may not be that Whelen but it will be a Whelen. I haven't taken anything with my Remington 700 Classic yet so maybe I'll take that one. I still have to take the Ruger M77 in the Whelen to my gunsmith's to have the headspace checked. Dunno if it was just a bad factroy round or if there is a problem but I did have a total case head separation with a 200 gr. Remington factory load in that rifle.
Someone commented that a persons load was what? 6 grains above book max? Doesn't surprise me a bit. Just another Remington screw up IMHO. Methinks the SAAMI specs are kept deliberately low because of all the old 1903 Springfields, 1895 Winchester and Remington pumps and semi-autos chambered to the round. I do believe the Whelen can be loaded a bit warmer than that. My load leaves primers nice and round, CHE and CRE are neglible and cases last a long time. What's not to like?
If I were to go with cup and core bullets, I'd just use any standard 250 out there. At even top veocity they should hold together just fine on most game. Maybe this year I might take the M700 with either the 250 gr. Hot Core or the Hornady IL, depending on which one the rifle likes. Might even try the Hornady RN just for spits and grins. Should work just fine for shots at 200 yards or less.
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#6847198 - 09/06/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: PJGunner]
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The only slug I was disappointed in with a Whelen was the 280aframe. Pushed at 2350fps it showed minimal expansion on a couple of pigs so I gave up on it. One pig was shot at a quartering angle, hit the shoulder and exited a ham but left a pretty minimal hole. If it had not smashed so much bone I would really be concerned about it not opening up.

Seems like the 280 might need something like a .358WSM or .358STA to make it shine.
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#6847216 - 09/06/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: varmintsinc]
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That's exactly the sort of cartridge the 280 A-Frame was made for. I've shot it in the .358 Norma and .358 STA and they give it enough oomph to open easily. The slow twist of the typical Whelen doesn't help it open up, either.
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#6847506 - 09/06/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: Mule Deer]
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The beuaty of the whelen is it doesn't push bullets fast enough to really tax them, and it's enough gun to get the job done. Pick a 225 or 250 gr bullet, work up a load with RL15, Varget or another suitable powder and put the pill where it needs to go.

I'm currently running 225 sierras in my short whelen (350 rem mag) because my load work was complete with one range session. One of these days I'll work up a load with the 250 hornadies and a-frames on the shelf.
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#6849219 - 09/07/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: 458 Lott]
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I have two Whelens. A Remington 7600 and a custom mauser. I prefer the 250 grain bullets. I shoot 250 Hornady round nose bullets from my 7600 using RL 15. My mauser loves Speer Hot Core and Nosler partitions also with RL 15. The whelen is my favorite big game cartridge to hunt with. I have killed bear and piles of deer with mine.

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#6853464 - 09/08/12 Re: Best Bullet for 35 Whelen [Re: Whelenman]
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Originally Posted By: Whelenman
Originally Posted By: efw
To what extent does rate of twist effect a Whelen's ability to stabilize 250s? Does that only come into play on longer bullets than that?

I've been thinkin hard on a 1 in 14" twisted mauser that appears to be priced right by a local shop.


Hmmmmmm and what shop would that be, pray tell? grin


Ha ha oh just a place I found while out meeting a friend for lunch recently... whistle
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