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I don't see how a 3000 ft/lb shot on a bear, finding blood and bone, has much to say in this equation. Other than shot placement, that is....

This might turn into a slight rant but it's not intended at you...


Unfortunately it is a term that a lot of people (including writers...) throw out there yet there seems to be no solid definition in common usage with hunters. I hear everything from an "electrical shock" to the system to a bursting of the blood vessels from too much pressure.

One thing is certain- there is little credible evidence of its existence or what really causes it. No one seems to be able to truly explain it nor replicate it. One animal shot in the lungs with a bullet at high velocity folds up as if electrocuted yet the very next one shot in identical circumstances runs 100 yards.



What we do know is the mechanisms of wounding and how that relates to tissue damage. We can measure how deep and how wide a hole a bullet makes. Velocity certainly helps create a bigger temporary stretch cavity and when you combine that with a bit of fragmentation you can get extremely large wounds. I know from terminal ballistics testing and my own experience killing hundreds of animals that the bullets/rounds that create the widest wound channels while still penetrating enough to reach the vitals kill the quickest.


In general I have a low tolerance for minutiae and mental masturbation. I do not care if a scope delivers 1% more light transmission or displays slight chromatic aberration on the very fringes of the view. I could generally care less about the fit and finish, nor do I care what the recovered weight of a projectile is or how perfectly it resembles a shiitaki mushroom. I do greatly care that my scopes hold their zero no matter what, that when I dial 3.2 mils or 11 MOA that the scope moves the reticle exactly 3.2 mils or 11 MOA every single time. I do care how much tissue a bullet destroys and how fast the animal dies.



So I guess until or if someone ever figures out how I can transmit "hydro-static shock" to an animal, I will pay attention to how deep and how wide a path the bullet makes......

I think you and I have a similar opinion on this phenomenon. Some say that high velocity transfers this "shock" to an animal. I've transferred a bunch of velocity to quite a few animals and I can't verify "hydro-static shock". Nor can the hunters that claim it's existence. Thanks, mtmuley

I would like to add frontal area and i am certain there will be those that will add bullet consruction,weight and design etc...
some like 2 holes and some like one?

anyhow i don't think anybody is recomending a 6mm or even a 6.5mm? although as flat a shooter that a 7mm is (and kicks a 30's ass!) LOL i think a 6.5 is better than a 7mm cuz it shoots flatter with even less recoil !!!!!!!

sorry, not directed at you Mtmulie

Get the 300RUM, a few pounds of Retumbo,FED215M, Remmie cases, and top it off with a 200 Accubond.

Mine is a 700SS BDL, I bedded in an HS stock.

1.5" groups at 300, 3150MV.

No blackie will hold that bullet at any range you care to touch one off.

Tony

there ya go! that will work just fine! I don't see a black bear of any size not falling down to that with a decent shot. H1000 does just as well with @ 1gr less powder if Retumbo don't give you enough speed

How bout a 264 WM with a 160 woodleigh?

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So I guess until or if someone ever figures out how I can transmit "hydro-static shock" to an animal, I will pay attention to how deep and how wide a path the bullet makes...... [/quote]

I'm not a scientist to explain ft/lbs of energy, shock or any other of these terms. But I know that if I shoot a large bear with a 22 versus a 378, I will deduct by the wound on the animal that the 378 is more powerful. At least if I can't figure that out I'm sure the bear will.

Bankwalker,
Your request seems like a tall order. What do you think the energy of a 7mm will be at 800 yards?

Damn, I guess I had better release these 2 because I unwittingly used a 7mm.

620 yds.


728 yds

Sorry fellas, My Bad.

Nice to see ya back on 24hr JB.

Thanks Stoney.

Yessir

Not sire why the OP hasnt just bought a Sendero in 264 WM or 7mm RM and scoped it with a 3.5-10X40 already.

140 Amaxs or 162 Amaxs, done and done.

John you know you can't use dead animals to prove a point on here.

Welcome back!

Glad to see you back posting, too.

What bullets were you using?

I have no experience on large bear at short or long range, but I'm curious about some of the target bullet suggestions. Is the A-max a big-bear bullet?

I shot both those bears with the 180gr VLD. The AMAX opens too fast for my taste when muzzle velocity approaches 3000 fps. I would also say the VLD is too soft when launched over 3250fps.

We killed 5 bears with 6 shots (all 7 mm 180gr VLDs) on that trip, I shot my grizzly twice. Every one else killed their bears at under 200yds.


Keep in mind the larger caliber AMAXs (7mm or 6.5), or any bullet for that matter, are "softer" than the same bullet in the .22 cal. Jacket thickness relative to caliber is heavier in the small caliber.

I would be fine shooting a 600lb boar smack on the shoulder at 25 yds with the VLD but would not use the choose the AMAX for such a shot.

Thanks BOB.

Cool picture. I guess the grins are easy to come by when everyone is successful.

Another glad to see you back Mr. Burns.
I have long been a fan of the 7 rem mag. My current long range rifles launches the 180 gr. VLDs at 2980 fps. These bullets are missiles and I would not hesitate to shoot a bear at the 1K mark.
Flame away if you must, but I have used this combo enough to have total confidence in it's capability.

John, good to see you back as I enjoy your posts.

But please stop interjecting facts into the conversation........sheeesh.